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'Reality Check: Is Malmo the rape capital of Europe?': http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39056786
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The claim: Many young male migrants arrived in Sweden over the past few years, when the country accepted unprecedented numbers of refugees, and there has been a huge rise in sexual crime in Sweden especially in the southern port city of Malmo.
Reality Check verdict: Malmo, along with other urban centres in Sweden, has one of the highest levels of reported rapes in proportion to population in the EU, mainly due to the strictness of Swedish laws and how rape is recorded in the country.
The rate of reported rapes in Malmo has not dramatically risen in recent years and has in fact declined from its peak in 2010, before the recent large increases in refugees.
It is not possible to connect crimes to the ethnicity of the perpetrators as such data is not published.
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Have there been more sexual offences in Sweden?
"Sexual offences" is a very broad term, which refers to a range of all sex-related crimes in Sweden.
Rape is one of the sexual offences, but other crimes such as paying for sex, sexual harassment, indecent exposure, sexual exploitation, molestation and trafficking are included in the numbers as well.
During 2015, the year in which Sweden took the largest number of asylum seekers, the number of reported sex crimes and rapes actually decreased by 11% and 12% respectively compared with 2014 - 18,100 sex offences were reported to the police, of which 5,920 were classified as rape.
This was preceded by a rise of both sex offences and rapes reported to the police in 2014.
The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Bra) says this rise is due to the changes to the legislation in 2013, which made it tougher.
Similar increases in the number of reported cases were seen in 2006, after new sex offence legislation came into force in April 2005.
Since then, Sweden has recorded every reported case of sexual violence separately.
That means, as Susanne Lekengard from Bra explains, that if a person comes to the police and reports being raped by a partner or husband every day for the past year, the police will record each of these events.
In many other countries these incidents would be recorded just once: one victim, one type of crime and one record.
Also, paying for sex became one of the crimes counted in the statistics.
Sweden does not publish the ethnicity or national background of perpetrators of any crime, including sexual offences.
What about rape in Malmo?
According to Bra, the number of reported rape cases in proportion to the population in the municipality of Malmo has not seen a sharp increase since the biggest group of refugees arrived.
Reported rapes per 100,000 inhabitants peaked in 2008, 2010 and 2011, and the figures were higher for those pre-refugee influx years than in 2015 and 2016.
In addition, the reported rape figures were not higher in the Malmo municipality, compared with two other major urban municipalities in Sweden: the capital Stockholm and Gothenburg in the west.
What about an international comparison?
It is very hard to compare sex-related offences and rape across the world.
Police procedures and legal definitions vary widely around the world, making an international comparison meaningless.
The 2012 UN international rape rate comparison showed Sweden to have the highest rate of rape in Europe and the second highest in the world, but the report did not contain data for a total of 63 countries that did not submit any statistics, including, for example, South Africa, where other earlier surveys indicated a very high rape rate.
The most recent Eurostat data for the 28 EU countries also puts Sweden in the top spot.
But the agency warns that comparisons between different countries should be avoided because of differences between their legal and criminal justice systems, recording practices, reporting rates, efficiencies of criminal justice organisations and types of offences included in the categories.
There has also been a public debate in Sweden over the past two decades to raise awareness and encourage women to go to the police if they have been attacked.
This has resulted in a higher report rate than in other countries in Europe.
Have you got those figures and data on ethnicity of perpetrators?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I understand, in some countries, that there may be an over-representation of people from immigrant backgrounds in crime statistics, but that tends to be closely related to high levels of unemployment, poverty, exclusion and low language and other skills rather than their ethnicity or faith, if it even happens to be Islam. Convictions for migration-related offences as well as possible racial or ethnic discrimination by law enforcement and the judicial system may also sway such figures. I understand non-immigrant Swedes with the same characteristics as those mentioned above - unemployment, poverty, exclusion and low-level skills, for example - are also over-represented in crime statistics.
The Swedish government has published this in response to the reports of Muslim immgrants raping Swedes, rising crime levels and an economy on the brink of collapse: http://www.government.se/articles/20...ime-in-sweden/
They aren't, it isn't and no, it's not.
But if you have open borders and a welfare state isn't it unavoidable Tets?
Whoever wrote that must have their head in the sand. Probably traumatized from all the Grenade attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
That's the problem with Trump supporters, they throw out opinions as fact and don't respond when facts are provided as... fact. The best approach is to ignore them. The mainstream media should do the same.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...acks_in_SwedenQuote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
From last year:
Guardian article (covers other crime as well as sexual): This cover-up of sex assaults in Sweden is a gift for xenophobes
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theg...?client=safari
Murder rates rise sharply in Sweden
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6390644
Fatal Shootings on the rise in Sweden
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6292691
I've had 3 bikes stolen in Sweden.
More from aftonbladet on crime in Sweden compared to the US: http://www.aftonbladet.se/a/WP0KG
Maybe a more fair take than the left wing websites you are promoting:
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/2...d-immigration/
From that articleQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
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"The long-term tendency of fewer cases of deadly violence still apply even if we take these new, high figures from the Board of Forensic Medicine into account,” said Sven Granath, a criminologist and investigator at the National Council for Crime Prevention
Which left wing websites? The Swedish Government or the BBC?Quote:
Originally Posted by KrisLetang
I know. I try to source balanced reporting...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Outstanding thinking on the fly there Stu.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Today friday's traditional White House briefing of the press was cancelled, instead an informal gathering was held elsewhere.
News outlets deemed critical of the presidency were not permitted to attend, "The New York Times, The Hill, Politico, BuzzFeed, the Daily Mail****, BBC, the Los Angeles Times and the New York Daily News were among the other news organizations not permitted to attend"
***Just in case you were about to fall into a state of stupor, that's not the UK Daily Mail.
The first organ to attack is the media, there shall be no checks and balances, just declare them "enemy of the people".
The truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
The Friday trash thing? Obama brought the whole press to the golf course you mean?
Spend two years calling someone racist, hitler, pedo, rapist, say he fcked a 13 year old girl, say he molested a bunch of women, say he ****ed on hookers in Russia, say he's owned by Putin, say he's owned by Bannon, say he's the spawn of Satan, say he's a white supremacist and say he's anti-semitic.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Don't get invited to one informal meeting and it's the end of democracy and the world as we know it. FFS.
I'm pretty sure the BBC, for instance, has never called him a paedo or said he's the spawn of Satan. Or any of those thing actually. Are they guilty by association?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
They can't stand BBC which is definitely anti-Trump although from my perspective a little fairer in how they go about it. So I don't know if they're guilty by association or what. Spicer did include a number of "unfriendly" institutions in the informal gathering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
But, what happened is interesting...
- Friday Press Briefing was cancelled Wednesday or Thursday due to CPAC
- Instead Spicer schedules an informal gathering (they called it a gaggle) of friendly journalists (good dudes)
- decides to increase the gathering but doesn't invite the "bad dudes" due to space issues (hehe yeah).
- the bad dudes showed up anyway and were told they couldn't enter.
Kind of funny really. Also,
- the bad dudes baulked in january when Spicer suggested moving the press room to a larger location to accommodate the number of media outlets.
- the worst dude (Obama) did the same to right wing outlets (Fox and others) back in 2008/09.
Yet it's unprecedented and awful. Won't someone please think of the children!
It's just a bit mad banning people who don't agree with you. Especially when you're the President. I don't know how anybody could see that as being remotely rational.
No one gave a sh1t when Obama did it...
And is it a ban? This was not an official press briefing. Some outlets weren't invited. Cool kids only. I'm pretty sure they'll be back giving Spicer a hard time on Monday.
I don't give a **** about Obama now either, he's irrelevant to what Trump is doing. If people turned a blind eye to Obama doing it but criticise Trump (I don't know the details but assuming it's comparable) then they're misinformed or hypocrites. But it doesn't justify it or make it rational now.
What is "it" exactly? Are you still calling this a ban? The worst you could call it was a snub. And a well deserved one.
Also, it's funny how when you point out that the actions of one administration, actions that the press and others call "unprecedented", was actually done by the previous administration then it doesn't count or is not relevant to Trump. It is f*cking relevant. It's the same behaviour. It's not unprecedented.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/presiden...with-fox-news/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2...6156794&page=1
Regarding Sweden, this journalist - Tim Pool - has undertaken to go to Malmö, Gothenburg, Stockholm and other major cities to determine the truth. He doesn't appear to be anything other than independent so it might be worth following his journey. The first video was interesting.
Opening lines.
Person: Are you lost, What are you doing on this side of .... this is the Harlem of Malmo.
Pool: Oh is it , is it a bad area?
Person: Nah
Yet we have people scurrying around looking for this and that report to provide a rational context for race hate groups and to support
"claims that violent crime is rising rapidly and caused by recent immigrants to the nation".
There was one demonstration which ended in violence in Stockholm when 600 members of the Swedish/Scandanavian fascist/neo nazi Nordic Resistance took to the streets to demonstrate in celebration of Trump.
Norwegian neo-Nazis were also in attendance
The first point to their Political program
1. Immediately stop mass immigration, and as soon as possible initiate the repatriation of the majority of peoples that are not of North European descent. These should in the most humane way possible be sent back to their respective homelands or regions nearby.
Not the end of the world, the Nazis etc were defeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Yeah because this is a totally isolated incident. FAKE NEWS.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I don't think you understand that I don't care about Obama. I didn't defend him before and I'm not defending him now. If Obama pulled down his pants and **** on the floor of the Áras I'd still criticise Trump if he did the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Yeah, one random guy speaking off camera. Case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Obviously, that's your own prerogative Charlie but I want you to understand and acknowledge what I am saying. There is a huge level of hypocrisy when people use language like "unprecedented", "nazi", "ruining freedom of speech", "damaging to democracy" to talk about what happened to certain media outlets yesterday and yet refuse to apply the same standard or level of outrage to the actions of the previous administration when it is pointed out. Or, at least, back off from the stupid narrative when it is pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
For Trump and his apologists. one random guy speaking off camera is proof positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
You fell for that one.
This Trump love, muslim/refugee hate is dulling your senses.
Provide solid evidence for the claim which you are attempting to provide a rational context for, that the recent flow of emigration and refugees in the last 2 years into Sweden is responsible for an alleged rise in serious crimes in Sweden.
It is difficult to find the proof you require, Geysir, since the Swedish government stopped tracking the nationality/ethnicity of criminals back in, I think, 2010. This data gap makes anecdote/observation more important and I have already tried to provide non partisan sources to reasonably portray whether or not there are issues. I also linked to Tim Pool who is over there and I will be following his journey to satisfy my own curiosity and desire for information. Gatestone Institute has a list of a number of serious crimes committed by refugees and immigrants in Sweden too but I didn't bother posting that as, even though it seems factual, it is too right wing a source for the many on here who agree with open border policies.
With regards to the first paragraph of your post, I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make but I do note that you took a dig at my intelligence and tried to cast me as hating Muslims. Thanks for that. Sound.
Another interesting update from Tim Pool.
It's interesting that nobody has corrected him on the pronunciation of the "no-go" area he's visiting or that Zlatan comes from there. That beanie hat intrigues me as well - what's he hiding under there?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Why are people standing up for Frump? It's one thing being one of the dimwits in the US electorate voting for this pr*ck, but why would anyone outside there respect this paranoid narcissist?
Especially his hateful attitude and policies towards minorities.
Not withstanding the many faults of Obama and past US regimes, not to mention the rest of the planet!
It's not just "one person" though, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
He's on the frontline, so he presumably knows what he is talking about.
There is not just a rise in sexual crimes against Western women. There have been numerous sexual crimes against adults and children in migrant camps.
Donald Trump denigrated constantly through the duration of the Oscars.
Denigrated by the same people who gave Roman Polanski, a convicted child rapist, a standing ovation.
I came across this excellent letter to the Guardian yesterday and, although it relates specifically to the pathologised black, Asian, Muslim and ethnic minority residents of Moss Side in Manchester, it touches on and challenges some of the more rectionary opinions being aired generally in this thread in relation to "radicalisation being the main cause of terrorism", "immigrants being to blame for rising crime rates" and "no-go zones": https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...side-residents
Some further academia (UK-focused) on the matter generally; A Decade Lost: Rethinking Radicalisation and Extremism (January 2015): http://www.claystone.org.uk/wp-conte...calisation.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Akemia Minott (Moss Side youth worker), Dr. Tanzil Chowdhury (Northern Police Monitoring Project) and Patrick Williams (Criminologist and doctoral researcher at MMU)
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Originally Posted by Professor Arun Kundnani
Created out of thin air? If that is so, why have we been reading about upsurge in crime in Sweden in the English newspapers for two years now.
End of the day - reports about upsurge in crime in Sweden are either true or they are not true.
With all the information available at our fingertips and the undoubted smarts of the posters on here, there should be no problem in coming up with the truth, one would think.
they're not true.
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/...0/73717421.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979