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The Israelis and Palestinians have been in confict for almost 70 years. There is nothing different about the current phase of this long standing conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat
There is no point in looking for logic in the UEFA position.
Legia fans, a great bunch of lads:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwJchdXCcAAgpGY.jpg
Interesting to see what UEFA do over this and the other massive banner at the game last night
Misprint. Their actually just big fans of talcum powder.Quote:
Originally Posted by colonelwest
And don't like astronomy.
Or Sting.
Or messy hair.
In fact if your hair is messy, you should cover it up, like with a hood or something.
That's a old photo maybe 7 or 8 years old now. This is what they had last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by colonelwest
https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/...06169681_n.jpg
Sligo Rovers and Derry were lucky uefa didn't fine them must have been a dozen Palestine flags and a banner saying solidarity with Gaza at the Derry game vs that Welsh club
Aberystwyth had poppies on their jerseys also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean South
Whats the 6<1 on the banner about?
6 is less than 1. They scored six goals to Celtic's one and lost the game.
Trade union firebrand Brendan Ogle has come to the defence of Dundalk Football Club fans who unfurled a Palestinian flag at a European match and landed the club with a massive €18,000 fine from Uefa. And Mr Ogle - a season ticket holder and lifelong fan of the club - has issued a formal complaint to the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) against RTE and the station's soccer pundit Richard Sadlier.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news....bn7OEKxm.dpuf
Getting ridiculous at this stage.
its a ****ing joke ffs
I don't see his point really. the sindo has confirmed with uefa that we have gotten the fine. so that dispels the conspiracy theories from the SSA.
as for sitting with suits- ST were invalid for the match so he choose to sit with the suits rather than show solidarity.
would love to know were people like him were in 2012 when we were rock bottom and needed publicity to help our plight. he was nowhere to be seen.
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/2900...medium=twitter
Linfield fined 15,000 I think it said for unprohibated standing at Europa league game. UEFA stuck for cash or something?
The Broadcasting Act crossed my mind as well after seeing Sadlier's contribution. There was a recent complaint upheld in relation to a discussion on same sex marriage on rte Mooney Show(I think).It was clear that soccer republic programme was one sided and did not give those who expressed solidarity with the people being bombed in Gaza any opportunity to put their case. Instead they were called "not real fans"
It was clear that rte news had a certain line on the war on Gaza, you would not know who fired the shells which killed many civilians in the UN schools by looking at the news on rte tv for example.
I think the producers on soccer republic forgot that they work for a public funded/owned broadcaster. As for Sadlier he works for the Sindo also; a private company who can and do take sides in debates as they have in this conflict/war. Very amateur behaviour from both Sadlier and soccer republic to not realise that they were operating under the broadcasting act.
What did RTÉ broadcast or Sadlier say exactly that was in breach of any duties either had under the Broadcasting Act? What case do the perpetrators have that wasn't aired? They broke the rules and knew full well they were doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
Sadlier said of those who waved the flags: "The problem here is a small group of of people - I don't like calling them fans - have completely stitched up the club." He advised to "stop calling them supporters" before stating they should be banned from football for life for willfully and deliberately defying the club whilst knowing their actions would result in heavy punishment. He said nothing about them being drunks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sGQ8iCGksw
The SSA only care for the old freedom-of-speech chestnut when it suits them then, is it?...
My mistake, he did not say they were drunk, it was on twitter maybe the suggestion was made, that is why I put ?. Edit it now.
The case Ogle is making is that there should be an opposite point of view put in the discussion. Sometime freedom of speech means having to listen to what many people consider silly or stupid arguments.
Does the Broadcasting Act stipulate that such balance is necessary? Maybe it does; I've not read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
What is the opposing argument anyway?
AFAIK, the BAI complaints mechanism that Ogle is using applies to news and current affairs programming, not sports. Sadlier was asked for his view on a football matter - the UEFA fine and its implications for Dundalk - not for his views on the middle east, thereby keeping the discussion firmly away from news and current affairs. I'd be surprised if the complaint was entertained, but how the code was interpreted in the Mooney case was very unexpected. It's led to a great deal of uncertainty and allows anybody to gripe if they feel that balance is missing from a broadcast, even where none is needed (like a concert or book review for instance).
St Johnstone fined the same amount for the same "offence"
Consistent at least.
The problem here is not that Dundalk were fined but the people who caused them to be fined.
By all means show support for whatever cause you want but be prepared to accept responsibility for your actions.
Palestine are a FIFA and AFC member. Its not like they were waving Kosovo or Northern Cyprus flags (which would be much more confrontational)Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
The Legia display is right. Uefa care more about €€€ than football. This is a huge financial setback for small club's like Dundalk and Inverness.
Certain people and their social media soapboxes have gone oddly into radio silence about the whole thing since it came out about the similar fines to other clubs, didn't see that one coming at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Eh? Think you miss the point, again. The fines for all the listed clubs are stupid, even Legia.Quote:
Originally Posted by colonelwest
There are two separate issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Firstly, the UEFA position is ridiculous. Secondly, the supporters who raised the flag knowing that Dundalk would be fined were reckless and did not have the best interest of the club at heart.
Depends on your viewpointQuote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
I think you're missing the point. Stupid or not, everyone knows the score before they put them up. Legia are clearly OK with paying that fine (as you can't do a display like that without club knowledge/assistance). Dundalk aren't OK with it, as they tried to stop the flags being shownQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Was a Palestine flag at the hurling the other day, wonder did anyone make a complaint?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I am sure you know that supporter groups on the continent have a lot of leeway. Certainly in Basel the ultras have pretty much free reign over what they can and cant do. Just look at the final game of last season, or the walk through Bern to the stadium on cup final day. Crikey, was mad.
But in dear old Ireland we love silly rules dont we!
It would actually make you sick. We had the same craic for the last few years, every chancer was a "lifelong fan".Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
Wont be a sign of them until we win the league again, in another 30 years.
It's not about the rule, it's about the ability to pay the fine!Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
You're not comparing UEFA rules to the GAA are you?
A 20 stone man invades the pitch to "remonstrate with the ref" during a big match. The game is held up while he is restrained and taken down by six stewards. The man is now a folk hero and feted everywhere he goes in Mayo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
if this was football, he would be banned for life. The two sports are very very different.
I see a bohs fan had a Palestine flag with him in Sligo last night (didn't really display it to be fair) and one of the stewards was pointing at it but nothing after that, not that there's anything wrong with having it at a league game I'd just say LOI clubs are a little edgy about the subject at the minute.
Not at all, it seems yourself and a few others seem to be doing just that. It simply boils down to two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
1) Time and a place
2) You play in UEFA competitions, you play by their rules.
Anything else is soapboxing and superflous and has long since gone past the border of look at me, attention seeking territory. Not from you now mind, I mean them, and they have a long and varied history of doing that exact thing.
Your defence of it seems to be on the basis of ah sure it's grand, work away and do as you like. In that case I hereby grant Dundalk FC 6 points for a win and away goals count as quintuple.
Now unfortunately I can't very well make that happen as I have absolutely no authority to rewrite the rules, but sure it'll be grand and it's perfectly acceptable just because I said so and fcuk everyone else who does play by the rules and regulations.
Not really, they dont own footballQuote:
Originally Posted by colonelwest
Otherwise its a difference of opinion.
Dundalk do have the option of not entering the Europa League and flying as many flags as they want...Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
http://badsentinel.com/wp-content/up...-Patrick-6.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Hopefully we wont be playing in the Europa League next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Good point. Does anyone know who runs the UEFA Champion's League?Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
The GAA I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
UEFA & Legia are *******s...who deserve all the flack that comes their way.
Dundalk, St.Johnstone & Celtic shouldn't be compared to those morons.
How might Dundalk have more appropriately dealt with the matter though? They can't just decide to ignore competition rules without punishment or opting out of UEFA competition. I'd take the flag-wavers a bit more seriously were they to acknowledge responsibility for their actions and (somehow) cover the fine they cost their club. The fact is they left Dundalk up sh*t creek. Why should Dundalk tolerate a few selfish idiots intent on repeatedly breaching regulations without any concern for the repercussions?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Is there another confederation governing football and organising professional competition in Europe to which Dundalk can instead align themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
It seems we have reached a clear divide between those who acknowledge that tournament organisers make rules and clubs follow them, for better or worse, and those who have a more liberal interpretation of how the real world works.
Come off it lads. Dundalk are in no position to thumb their nose at UEFA over an issue like this, which seems to be what you want them to do.
I think most people here would agree that it's a very heavy fine for something that many of us don't think should be contentious, but nevertheless Dundalk were prepared to abide by UEFA's rules and they are unfortunately paying a heavy price for the obstinance of a small number of their fans. It's a harsh lesson for the club but I would be surprised if they'll be so accommodating to a small group who have shown flagrant disregard for the interests of their hometown club. In hindsight, they should have confiscated the flag and, if that wasn't agreeable, they should have thrown the fans out, but we can all sympathise with the people within the club who wanted to give them a fair chance to support their club in a big game.
They own the UEFA Europa League competition. It's UEFA's competition. Once you agree to enter, you argee to abided by UEFA's rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Here's an example. My local night club don't own fun. But if I went in and started dancing on the tables after begin warned not to, I'd be barred. Why? Because it's their club and their rules.