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Very good as usual.
After reading Drum's blog, I'm glad that it's now an accepted fact, that while the contract lay on the table MON did interviews with other EPL clubs and the whole reason for the delay in signing that contract were down to the financial terms of the contract, namely the salary which had to be increased by a reputed Eur 600k in order to gain his signature.
I don't call that good business, I'd call that a thundering disgrace. Even Trap bowed somewhat and accepted a lower salary. Irish football was royally screwed by MON, probably the most deluded of all managers who felt he was actually worth 50% more after the overall performances in the 2018 WC qualifiers.
To be honest, if the reported 1.2m salary for McCarthy is correct, then they've clearly learned nothing. I can only surmise that they've put a premium on the salary to ensure he'll step aside in 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The amount of different leaks being given to different journos yesterday is indicative of a dysfunctional media department as well. People within the organisation should be singing from the same hymn sheet but clearly weren't on point.
Its good money alright . I’d take it myself if it was going . A bit of a sweetener alright . I hope it works out for all of us . We need the Irish soccer team to give us a smile or two .Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Morning Tony. I disagree with your opinions on this issue so I've answered them. Whether you were explicit or implicit.Quote:
First off, Bill, this was an opinion piece musing on whether things might have been different had there never been a split. Nothing more despite what you seem determined to read into it
What is it then? A couple of lines would do. You know, who were the people who discussed what in which year?Quote:
There's plenty of evidence in the likes of Green Shoots, The Irish Soccer Split and even Green is the Colour. Informal talks are still talks. Even the use of gentleman's agreement implies informality
I'm not asking for every anecdote- just any evidence. You've offered none whatever. It's entirely reasonable for me to ask, and petulant for you to refuse as above. More importantly, if you can't/ won't back up your argument it doesn't look very strong...Quote:
It's a blog / newspaper opinion, not a thesis, I'm not going to reference every piece of anecdotal evidence involved and it's ludicrous for you to bang on about it in that context
I know. As I pointed out I disagree that that's particularly relevant. In 2018, the all-Ireland team argument is all over all sorts of media. In 1978- with far fewer media outlets- it was supposedly being discussed by the two FAs, except you aren't telling us anything about itQuote:
It's not on the agenda with the associations which was my point, aplogies if that wasn't clear
That's a shame. I wasn't there this month (listened on Radio Ulster) but was in 1989. When some gurrier on the Havelock Square terraces set fire to a Union Jack just behind me. I wish you success improving the unpleasant attitude at your gamesQuote:
I've been at every home match v NI since 1989. I've not witnessed an atmosphere like last Thursday's at any, it was far more sectarian than before and disgusted me
No, I'm challenging the point rather than missing it. For all the united Ireland teams you celebrate, Ireland is still divided a century on. Given that I doubt the absence of a NI team would have made any significant difference to wider politics, society etc.Quote:
Utterly missing the point. I clearly say that sport unifies. The whole point of the piece is wondering if it may have unified football fans from different traditions had there not been a split
Sport unifies in the sense that it provides international competition. It clearly doesn't lead to unity in other areas as I've said.
Ta. I notice you don't actually explain why you challenge it. Much easier just to assume AI teams are the natural order of things and any exception must be the abberation, eh?Quote:
I disagree that's the reason. You're etitled to your opinion though
And mine to which competitions they take part in. If a NI team goes to CG regularly it's clearly separate from the Southern guys who don't. That there's an umbrella admin body doesn't deny that, effectively, there are 2 teamsQuote:
while the likes of the boxers have represented NI in the commonwealth games, they've done so under the administartion of the Irish governing body. My point relates to administrative bodies
If you aren't using them as a basis for achieving an improved situation in the future then it's just ancient whatabouteryQuote:
Where do I suggest they are? I made the point that [ unpleasant events 70 and 50 years ago] happened in a historical context. That's all
More cliche. The NI (team's) flag is accepted by FIFA, UEFA, all their members, and basically all non-Nationalist opinion in NI. The idea that people are too embarrassed to talk about it is clearly daft- Nationalist politicians, journos and fans do so regularly. Even if some of them realise the doublethink- ie, they want the NI team to be less Unionist, but not to the extent where lots of Nationalists start supporting it ;)Quote:
Well, sorry to burst your bubble but using GTSQ as an anthem and the Ulster Banner as a flag do. I noted the laudable efforts of the IFA re exclusivity in the piece but those two items are still th eelephant in the room. Only a fool would argue otherwise
As for GSTQ, broadly same point applies. I predict England will abandon it at some point, we'll follow, and the usual suspects will continue to gurn about its successor
Even in a very distorted version of your hypothesis, it's not really credible that one AI team would have continued through the 1920s and beyond, playing its matches in Belfast for a mainly Unionist crowd. Fans in the South wouldn't have tolerated that. And I imagine fans in NI would have been equally unwilling to support a team based in Dublin. No doubt you'll cite the rugby example- but they continued largely as before without any such upheavalQuote:
No, it isn't. I fully recognise the right of the NI team to exist. The entire piece is predicated on a hypothetical scenario where they would have remained the single team on the island ffs
You would presumably prefer the second of those scenarios, which would be the NI team disappearing in practice. It's misleading, even dishonest to pretend otherwise. Ffs indeed
There's something in that- our fans moan that the FAI deliberately 'poach' players only from Nationalist areas in NI. In reality, they'd take a guy from the Waterside or Sandy Row were he good enough. But mainly the status quo endures because on our side there is no demand whatever to change itQuote:
Simply pointing out that the pattern of northern nationlists declaring for Ireland makes it easier to preserve the status quo
Obviously I'm suggesting that the likelihood of a split not happening was always far-fetchedQuote:
Had a split never occurred that may have been less of an issue
You said, "the soccer split on the island has simply [read, solely] given some another platform to show off their prejudices". You'll accept that one implication of that is that it's done nothing else of worth- obviously I disagree. If that's not what you meant fair enoughQuote:
How on earth do you conme to that conclussion??
Spare us the clumsy false outrage. Why would you be staggered at NI fans disagreeing with you on this issue- even when you present it as a convoluted daydream? I'm not offended btw, I just like arguing the point. You on the other hand don't like being challenged. If so, why not stick to 'What I did on my holidays' travelogs?Quote:
I should be staggered that you managed to find so much to be offended by in the piece but having read your posts over the years I'm sad to say I'm not
I bring my bias and happily admit to it. You deny yours.
More pompous drivel FB.
#DoBetter
Your exact response was "They shoot Fenians don't they", repeated ad nauseum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Gross hypocrisy.
Plus most of your other waffle is irrelevant given the North is liable to disappear in the next 25 years or so.
So it'll be a UI team, like it or lump it.
^^^^^^
Your probably trying to soothe the waters but A United Ireland is not going to take 25 years to happen .
It will with a Hard Brexit Sean...
He means it will take less than 25, I'd say AB.
Sean and Crafty- 25 years until a UI sounds plausible. So 6 more Euros and 7 sets of WC qualifiers then?
https://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.com/2...with-wind.html
Blog on the Gibraltar trip, match and FAI shenanigans for anyone interested.
Couldn't finish yesterday due to other commitments so slightly out of date...
Will have more positive Georgia blog tomorrow!
Courtin' and the Hourihane - Blog on Georgia game finally finished for these interested in a read about the match and the protest.
https://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.com/2...hourihane.html
And for anyone wondering why the blog didn't arrive yesterday, here's the Put 'em under pressure podcast about the game we recorded yesterday evening. Subscribe through the link to get them as they arrive.
https://soundcloud.com/user-589408046/peup-2
Not blogged in a long time but had to put a few words down to make the passing of such a legend.
https://afalsefirstxi.blogspot.com/2...a-changed.html