Argentina has a cricket team?
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Argentina has a cricket team?
I'm not overly fussed about cricket but they've got great chicks, countyside, steak and I think they're just generally cool.
Aye, my pal raves about there.
But you could say much the same about Polska...
:)
Yeah, but Argentina are better at football and rugby, not to mention their great kit.
There is that. Though prefer their change kit(s)...
Prefer somewhere better at cricket;rugby less important!
Yes, but that really only leaves England.
Or S.Africa and Australia....
But they're not that good at football
Neither are we...
Yes but that's why at times I wish I was Argentinian. They are. That's the whole point.
You would have gotten kidnapped at gun point and sold on the sex- slave market long ago if you were from Argentina, Stutts. I think thats fairly obvious.
All u can eat meat buffets for around $2-3, I'm talking steak and the works plus Quilmes at 40p a bottle/glass - the place and people and football are just quality. Would be a great backup if you weren't Irish!!
Crozzer, I'll take me chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Richie Sadlier's take on things this morning (I added the emboldened bits as those I found most pertinent). Interesting.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...n-3147501.html
If you were asked to devise and implement a strategy to identify and develop the best young football talent in Ireland, and you suggested anything like what is currently in operation, you would be laughed out of the room.
If your proposal for domestic football resembled the existing model of the Airtricity League, you would be met with the same response. You would never be asked for any football-related input ever again. It would be assumed, with some justification, that you had no understanding of the task assigned to you.
The senior international team has just equalled the worst performance by any country in the history of the European Championships. The domestic Premier Division is a club down following Monaghan United's withdrawal from the league last week, and the FAI's international high performance director has left for a post in India. There is no money there to make the necessary changes, but finances are not all that is lacking. A cohesive plan would be a start.
There is currently no national strategy of any kind for players under the age of 14 in Ireland, despite it being a critical stage in their development as footballers. Some leagues have representative squads for players aged 11 to 14, but it is entirely up to them if they do. Identification of elite players does not occur until they are 14, and even then they are only brought together once a week. Kids in the UK, for example, are training up to four nights a week with academies from the age of seven and eight. Ireland is also one of the few countries in Europe where there is no formal link between the top schoolboy academies and the top senior clubs.
So what about underage international level? Wim Koevermans was appointed international high performance director in September 2008, "to produce a consistent supply of better quality players for the senior international teams over the long term". He decided from the off that all underage international teams should play the same system in every game. It makes sense when you think about it. If all teams play the same way, then regardless of changes in coaching personnel or promotion to an age-group above their own, players are equipped to perform at their best. His vision was to play a 4-3-3 formation and nothing else.
At the same time, Giovanni Trapattoni was taking the reins of the senior team and adopted the strictest interpretation of a 4-4-2 system to be seen in a long time. As recently as last week, Marco Tardelli explained how he and Trapattoni evaluate players. Put simply, they are interested only in whether that player would suit their style of play. Unless they could see the player performing in their formation, he would be ignored. Koevermans' legacy will be that he prepared the youth internationals of Ireland to play in a way that prevents them from being selected for the senior team.
And what now for the senior team? The need for Trapattoni to adapt to the realities of modern international football is abundantly clear, but his willingness to embrace the necessary change is harder to detect and impossible to envisage.
Former Ireland international Mick Martin spoke on radio after last week's defeat to Italy about his role as scout for Trapattoni in the UK. I asked him what the situation was with Wes Hoolahan of Norwich City, one of the players mentioned as a possible contender for a call-up. He said he has never been sent to look at any individual player by Trapattoni, but was highly complimentary of Hoolahan. He went on to point out, however, that Hoolahan's position is to play in the hole behind a striker. Many would see that as a solution, but Martin saw that as the problem. Hoolahan
looks set to remain in the international wilderness a little longer, albeit while playing regularly in the Premier League.
And the domestic game? The majority of league clubs have neither the finances nor the vision to implement a long-term strategy for youth development. Requirements to do so under the FAI licensing process are seen as nothing more than box-ticking exercises. A lot of clubs limp from season to season focusing solely on staying afloat. The big Dublin derbies involving Shamrock Rovers and Shelbourne on Thursday and St Patrick's Athletic and Bohemians on Friday attracted a combined audience of 3,500 people. There are too many clubs in Dublin and not enough interest for any to be fully professional. Actually, the same could be said of the whole country.
So from childhood right the way through, the elite players of Ireland have it tough. The conversation about Ireland's performance in Poland should not be about the quality of the resources at Trapattoni's disposal but whether they were put to the correct use. If that review was extended to football all over Ireland, the same conclusion would be reached. Change is needed and it's needed now. But there's no sign that those in charge are capable of delivering it.
Reasonable article, but apart from calling for change don't see any solid proposals.
Though I firmly believe those running Irish soccer are incapable of making any...
Will there be any post-tournament evaluation by an external auditor, as with Genesis after World Cup 2002?
No (money or lack of being the reason I assume). The points made by Sadlier have been depressingly made many times before. We badly need a Dr Tony O'Neill type running football again and not the current crew at the FAI. I said it on another thread but I would have Niall Quinn and Roy Keane running things. Serious people who are capable of making real changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
Quinny maybe but not the other lad.
Niall Quinn, the same man who put so much time and effort into Sunderland instead of a LOI club? Roy Keane who seems to denigrate anything remotely Irish? All that needs to happen for a decent league standard is for people to stop being customers for EPL clubs and start supporting Irish clubs. They won't do that so realistically it will remain very difficult for us to develop players.
We can develop players, just we'll have to rely on clubs the other side of the Irish Sea to do this, mainly...
But it's not the 1980s anymore, when English clubs were mainly limited to young players from Britain and Ireland. Now these clubs attract players from across the globe. That we can't give our players a viable domestic platform on which to develop is shameful.
I know but is a domestic professional league even commercially viable?
You'd like to think so but even the biggest clubs have struggled financially.
I don't know what qualities Keane and Quinn have to be coaching directors, even if they were willing.
Now that Koevermans is gone, FAI would do alright if they hired somebody like Andy Roxburgh, who was the technical director hired by the Swiss FA to oversee the development of a coaching strategy and implemented it using the clubs as a conduit, all clubs - professional and amateur. The coaches (80 or 90 of them) are employed by the FA, spend their time working with the national youth teams, assisting clubs in coaching and then they are involved with the elite centres which the top 40 clubs run by themselves. Sadlier referred to too many LOI clubs being a problem, but he also pointed out where the established LOI clubs should be the obvious focus for the elite academies.
I take your point about Roxburgh but it didn't produce the players in Scotland when he was in charge of coaching. I would approach Quinn and Keane because not only have they played at the higest level they have good knowledge of the LOI and underage football in Ireland. The Germans, Dutch, French and others use personalities ie Beckenbauer along with thought out good coaching that suits their national character. Who determines good coaches/coaching? John Delaney or Quinn/Keane.
When Roxburgh was coaching director of the Scot's youngsters, he did very well.
As coach to senior team he wouldn't have had much to do with directing coaching.
Niall Quinn did actually play for Sunderland and had set down roots there. I'd sooner criticise the Irish developers / publicans who poured millions into Sunderland rather than a LOI club. In general I think it'd be good if senior players of earlier vintages got back involved in Irish football. Quinn (especially) and Keane would remove any complacency that exists in the FAI. I think Quinn would be a good CEO. I don't see either getting his hands dirty on development - that's for coaches - but if those in charge of development were accountable to people like that I think we could rest assured that stuff will actually get done.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
One of the first things Quinn would do is market the LOI to a worldwide Television audience. Delaney should have been knocking down the door of Foxsoccer, Aussie TV, Chinese TV a long time ago to sell the TV rights. It will happen and it will bring in much needed extra revenue for the clubs. If I can watch any number of national Leagues on cable (many of them inferior to the LOI) then that is something that needs to be addressed.
One thing the FAI could do, in conjunction with the Dept. of Foreign Affairs, is to charge non-EU clubs for them to plant some players in the LOI for a season to get them a EU work permit, allowing for more lucrative transfers to the big leagues. It needn't be widescale but would be a neat little earner.
I'm sure the Asian gambling market could have appetite for televised LOI football because of its timing, but then the whole realm of match fixing / spot fixing would need tight policing.
This is a decent idea. If it only took 3 years for sportspeople to become a naturalised Irish citizen, then you'd see big clubs having Irish affiliate clubs to help with work permit regulations, rather than the likes of Antwerp in Belgium for Man UtdQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
CEO of Athlone Town's view of Koeverman legacy
http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/art...stop-progress/
Probably the most information I've read about what Koeverman did while working for the FAI
How many tournaments did he qualify for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Where was the full-flowing attacking football in Tel Aviv? Or in Nicosia? Or at home to an understrength France? Or even at home to the Swatches needing a goal to get a play off?
The only balance about him is the way we're playing now. The way that got us further than he did.
Kerr's only being balanced when he remembers he has a chip on both shoulders.
Indo highlighting some key issues, without adding much in the way of detail.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...t-3147777.html
Great article. Hopefully people like him are involved with underage football in ireland.
I am getting worried with our showing and general state of the game at home, for the younger generation. I feel in 10 years time at international level we could be in a very bad way both at senior and youth level.
If FAI dysfunction was an issue for Koevermans and he is now going to India where dysfunction is an art form, does that tell us anything about the FAI or Koevermans?
Perhaps he suffers from codependency?
More money I'd guess.
Get the Germans in!
Excepting a Herr Vogts.
In amongst the mess of recent days, poster of the moment Tricky Colour actually made a good point. Whereas I think we're producing players more or less of the same standard as in the past, bar the occasional exceptional talent, the rest of the game has moved on - especially in terms of technique. The technical capability of most players these days at the top level is superb. Teams are also set up to utilise this technical capability.
We've stood still, many others have moved on.