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Originally Posted by thomas72
Which is quite clearly why they say this bit.
working with the FAI to insure it would get a license with upgrades.
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Originally Posted by thomas72
Which is quite clearly why they say this bit.
working with the FAI to insure it would get a license with upgrades.
Do really think Pat O'Sullivan is the sort of person to look for handy fall backs and excuses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Nope but that doesn't mean it wouldn't give other people involved in the project and excuse or a handy fall back.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevB76
Lets be honest though it's hard to be optimistic about being in there for march when it started as we could be in their for the start of the 2012 season and our last game in Jackman has been played. Then no point in rushing as we are in the first division so lets continue in jackman and we could be in there for the last few games of this season. Now it's, it should be ready for the start of 2013 season if there is no objections but if not we can try get Jackman ready as a plan B. It was said about 2 months ago not to worry the planning was going in in a couple of weeks. A few months later and we are hearing the same line.
It's grand for most the regulars as we are going to be patient and trust what the club are doing but from the outside looking in it doesn't look too great and almost seems like a decline towards using Jackman again.
Hopefully work can just commence within the ground on work that doesn't need planning permission and we can see something physical happening to give everyone better hope of the move.
These other people (presumably the LEDP, the VEC, and whoever else has some input or involvement) I would guess are more interested in doing their own thing to their own timescale and dont feel the need for any excuses or fall backs - if they cared about our timescale, I'm sure the project would be much further along already. At the end of the day we will be no more than a tenant in their ground, so they're the ones who are setting the pace of developments there and we just have to trust that when its ready, whenever that may be, that its worth the wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
As I said above, and I'm surprised more people on here dont seem to realise this, the club dont own the ground and arent running the show, Ive no doubt Pat o'Sullivan is doing his utmost to keep things progressing as quickly as possible but its not up to him. In the meantime it may seem that Limerick FC take all the flack and are seen as the ones breaking promises, but the mindset that see the club that way are almost a complete irrelevance by now in my opinion, the blue revolution is already way too strong to be affected by these types ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Most people know it's ultimately out of their hands but that doesn't take away from what the general public have read in the media over the last year about when it would be completed.
Fingers crossed all goes to plan.
Would it not be an option to have a few Saturdays after Christmas where the club can look for Volunteers to help out at the Markets field,whether paiinting,roofing,plastering etc.Im sure a lot of people would give their free time with the Premier league looming!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Sure, they could make a few Jobbridge internships out of it!:p
whether its still in the ..upgraded jacks or in the MF ..i like many of the fans will trust the present chairman to guide us in the right direction.
I think an upgraded jacks could be the real deal for the next 6 months to a year till the MF is ready. Second entrence by the flats. Wexford style agricultural stand or two. TV towers far side and behind one goals, extend the dressing rooms. Now its suddenly better then tolka, Dalymount, Carlisle, Drogheda......
The first three are stadia, but it would take at least three entrances before Jackman Park has better facilities than the entire town of DroghedaQuote:
Originally Posted by gael353
Staying at Jackman park would be a missed opportunity, and opening a new entrance and a temp stand doesn't make it better than any of those stadia. you have been in the first division too long. The only ground jackman Park is better than is Fahys field.
All the Carlisle is is a Temp stand hardly anything special.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
You're a Cork fan travelling to an Away game.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Explain how a done up Jackman with your own entrance, toilet block, covered stand blah blah, would be any worse.
Just watched silgo and pats and with limerick hopefully moving into the markets next season the stadium silgo built up there is very very impressive copy silgo on how a club is run could Do Alot worse.
I was really impressed by Carlisle when I was there this year. If Jackman converted the embankment to similar concrete terraces, similar covered stands on the far side, it would be fantastic imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Terrace idea is a bit of a dream though, I'll admit.
Whose gonna put up all this money to upgrade Jackman??i doubt very much the LDMC will,the dressings rooms are a disgrace for even junior football not to mind loi,and as for the toilets,enough said,can't see limerick investing money there when they'll be gone out of it eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
I'm saying it wouldn't be better than those named above. I've been to every current LOI ground, imo Jackman is the second worst stadium in the league right now. Third if we include Drom. I don't see where ye plan on putting in a covered stand. On the hill? next to the Limerick District Methadone Clinic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
trust me on this, you don't actually want to copy how Sligo is run. the rest of the league hates the people running that place, out to screw anyone they can, no time for anyone but themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by thomas72
Spot on, Sligo fans don't see it. Heads well and truely up in the sky at the minute, but they will come crashing back to earth quicker than Felix Baumgartner in the next year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
They've built a nice stand, ground looks good, good team, but they've done absolutely nothing for the future of the club. Their under 19 team is woefully overlooked, no youth setup, no future planning. It's all about 'Win the league, get in the champions league'.
It's sickeningly like Shelbourne all over again.
What Limerick need to do, is get the right structures in place, get a good youth setup going, get good community involvement and community programmes, get the Markets Field up and running, have a plan in place for progression, not go absolutely gung-ho at the league straight away.
There is great potential for a very strong club in Limerick, as long as things are done right.
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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
From the things on that we have everything except the ground right now and that will come. Pat O Sullivan has come out and said we wont be going mad to win the league so hopefully we stick to that.
In fairness to Sligo (and I'm not suggesting for a second they're the bees knees) that's applicable to almost every club in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
It's why the clubs are weak and why the league is weak. Narrow self interest.
It wasn't too long ago pal when ye had **** all either bud,after ye made a hames of bishopstown and MFA bailed ye out with a home,so I wouldn't be too quick to throw stones,and ye weren't too shy too dish out the bobs big time either,that put ye back in the 1st div,I personally am glad that Cork have steadied their ship,and as for the methadone clinic,ye could do with a proper one yereselves down there,their dropping like flies down there recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Just on that aspect alone our academy starts working with kids when they're 3 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I think we should levy all junior soccer players in Munster, build a stadium and lease it to limerick. Probably a crazy idea, imagine people in cork or waterford having to pay for a stadium used by an LOI club in limerick. Oh wait, it's been done already - it's how Turners Cross was part funded!Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Well said,Quote:
Originally Posted by Market's Field
and how Terryland/Deacy park was part funded as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by hotspur
I'm sorry but thats completely irrelevant to my comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by hotspur
unless you meant to reply to the other comment? in which case please look past club colours and think about the state of Jackman Park and teh fact that Delaney will not give you a license for it. It is one of the worst stadia in the country and thats a fact. That has nothing to do with Bishopstown or whether Cork City had a stadium in the past. Its a current fact and it could prevent your club playing Premier Division football next season.
again you are just jumping on club colours here and ignoring the important stuff. The fact that jackman Park is a shocking stadium and there is no chance you get a license to play there next season. Try focusing on what is actually important and getting your club into the Premier division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Market's Field
irrelevant! if a Limerick fan said what I was saying you'd be agreeing with him! Oh wait, LTID already has.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotspur
You Do know jackman park is the home of JUNIOR FOOTBALL in limerick? limerick fc were only leasing it off the LDMC but i do agree it hasn't a hope of getting a premier licence. Limerick fc Will be playing premier football next season in the markets field if not there thomond park is available option.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Unless they created another entrance to jackman park when flats behind ground are been knocked and with temporary seating behind the goal and on the grass bank also building new dressing rooms which has been mentioned while worked is been carried Out in markets field but the club are very confident of been in there new home for kick off of the new season.
Your basing that on the way the ground is now you have no idea what it would be like after the work is done to it... Its been said more then once that if we are using Jackman then we will be doing work to it like temp stands and upgrading the dressing rooms so after that it would most definitely be good enough for a licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Far as I know, as long as plans are in place, and work is ongoing in Markets, they will get a license for Jackman.
The only reason Harps got a license for Finn Park last time we were in the Premier was some similar reason being that the plans were in place for the new ground.
Do you really think Delaney is going to make exceptions for Limerick? Hes out to get them anyway he can, and all he has to do is follow the licensing rules. The irony here is that the fudge in this case will be not fudging it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
what upgrades? where would you put a temporary stand? honestly? where could you conceivably put a temporary stand? on the hill? Come on be serious here, where will you add an extra entrance? Theres so much more that would be required, licensing is much more than just having 500 covered seats and two entrances.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
and Thomas, I'm fully aware that Jackman is a junior ground, and I've been to many better junior grounds around Munster in my underage career. Regardless, we are not talking about Jackman Park getting a license for junior games, we are talking about it in the context of Limerick FC. So in this context the fact that its a junior ground is completely 100% irrelevant. I feel like I'm using that word a lot in this thread.
Limericks management may be confident of being in markets Field for the start of the 2013 season but they were confident of being in there for the start of last season, and then for the last few games.
Even if for arguments sake no one complains about the planning application and its not delayed at all and the ground is ready in time for the kick off (which is really unlikely) will it be ready at the licensing deadline?
My point is though El-Pietro, there's rules in place for this sort of case. Delaney can't really bend the rules already in place. I'm sure they'll be allowed half a season in Jackman if it means the second half of the season in a finished Markets Field.
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Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Id say we could put a temp stand in the big area of open space behind one of the goals that would make sense wouldn't it? And the entrance where the boarded up apartments are now when they are knocked soon. Other upgrades include upgrading both changing room and toilet facilities. You say lets be serious yet you haven't a clue what you are talking about actually knowing what Jackman Park is like would probably help your argument.
Tell me then what else would we need apart from what i mentioned?
I'd imagine it would be quite easy to stick in a temporary stand on the grass hill. Least a digger can simply come in and dig away space for it.
If all those houses are being knocked too then surely an entrance can be put in behind the nets at the bus station side?
Limerick were not moving into the markets field when still in the first division they wanted to begin life back there in premier football that was said by chairman.
Anyway don't worry about it it's irrelevant to you concentrate on your owe club cork city or cork forde city or what ever yer name is this year and we Will see you next year in the premier for the munster derby.
P.S thanks for shane duggan ;-)
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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Tons of room there for an entrance.
http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/...iew/?service=1
If you look at it there you can see there is massive space for a temp stand behind the goal opposite the club house and when those apartments are knocked there is more then enough room for an entrance.