I always thought Cork would be more hardline republican than Dublin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
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I always thought Cork would be more hardline republican than Dublin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Cork isn't hardline Irish republican. Cork is hardline Corkonian republican.Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
She should have been grateful. There'd have been no free pints if it was the Players Lounge in which she found herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Things I'd love to do in cork include running down the street shouting that I hate hurling, running down the street shouting that i hate Roy Keane, running down the street shouting I love Mick McCarthy, questioning Corks credentials as a former European culture capital and also telling every sod I see that Munster are the luckiest rugby team about.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Oh, and after all that I'd inform them that Dublin is twice the city and is rightly the capital.
Cork the rebel county! The only rebel they had they shot him! well thats what the jackeens say anyway:D;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by awec
Would you be looking for applause or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
There's a hardcore in Cork up the northside that love the man, but most of us think he's a knacker like everyone else.
An applause and a cup of coffee, cause I don't like tea. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
Ah... the 'rebels'... some people should really check what Cork was rebelling against when they received that tag.
[QUOTE=BonnieShels;1487303]Ah... the 'rebels'... some people should really check what Cork was rebelling against when they received that tag.[/QUOTE]
"Rebel County"
Ill give you a hint it wasn't from kissing women or drinking pints of Murphy's.
PS tell us why the dubs are called jackeens while your at it!:clap:
ZZZZ right we get the message:(Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Cork is called the Rebel County because of some dispute between some Lord Of The Manor and the King of England down there about five hundred flippling years ago, look it up I couldn't be arased.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurt Locker
It stems from a supposed tendency for the locals to be a bit keen to hang out the oul butchers apron aswell as the large amount of *cough* Anglo-Irish around the place.Quote:
PS tell us why the dubs are called jackeens while your at it!
Aside from the presence of a large anglo irish community (the parliment and most of the wealth was/is there tbf) the slur on ordinary Dubs is largely nonsense of course.
Here's a picture of Cork City during the last royal visit..........
http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/media/kings_visit.jpg
For the record I hate both places equally.
Notice that Sinn Fein are the only Northern party absent from the banquet tonight. Ironic given that they are the ones that keep telling unionists that they need to move on and forget the past.
Bravo rebelling against the crown!!
Well at least they don't come from a place called stab city:quiet::bigsmile:
Its nothing to do with being working class. Go down talbot st Any afternoon and you Will See What i mean. How is shouting obscenities at 86 yr old woman protesting at their betters?Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Nice start to her speech this evening.
Anyone here when she said "i like this clinking glasses" on a Mic that was left on.
Shame SF didn't show but hey, they have been very dignified dealing with the awkward questions this week.
Neither the elected UK parliament nor the people would choose to get rid of the monarchy, therefore it's understood that they choose to have a monarchy. Any referendum on the issue would be a foregone conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
There's actually been more indignation flying around today about Sinn Fein refusing a few invites than about the fact that the UDA (as in the drug dealing, ethnic cleansing supporting, Greysteel massacre doing, gave an oul hand with the Dublin-Monaghan bombings, UDA) was present and correct and hob nobbing in Islandbridge today.Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
I'm so happy for Ireland that we can all be so mature about this sort of thing now. :bulgy:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Fw4BZ6O1Rr...y+computer.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Hurt Locker
The UDA were there under invite from President McAleese herself. Pretty stupid that she'd invite that shower of scumbags, had me baffled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
As mentioned earlier in the thread, the lad in the Celtic top. I think this picture sums it up.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...42_634x379.jpg
Protestors love a bit of irony :D :Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OvD7y01ozn...+RSF+style.jpg
I thought about Queen Elizabeth's visit earlier today and came to the realisation that it actually has been a great success and that we should have done this sooner and here's why:
We got to show that we're willing to move beyond our history and create a better future in terms of our relationship with Britain by welcoming the Queen with open arms, which is important...but we also got to put her through one heck of a guilt-trip!:
"So Ma'am, this is a memorial to the patriots who felt so strongly about the cause of freedom that they left their regular lives behind to take up arms against the might of the British Empire and were executed for their trouble"
"And here, Ma'am, is the memorial to the million plus Irish people who died in a famine caused/exacerbated by British policy in Ireland"
"And this, Ma'am, is the memorial to the tens of thousands of young Irish men who died in WW1, a war which was essentially about the competing imperial ambitions of your family and their German cousins"
"Too much misery, Ma'am? Fair enough - let's go see our largest stadium..."
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Originally Posted by TheBoss
or else the best football jersey related ambush marketing since Larissa Riquelme.Quote:
Originally Posted by awec
Carling - laughing all the way to the bank! ;)
It's been an ego trip for McAleese, it's been journo heaven for the press, it's done the Irish Government no harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
For a lot of the rest of us, it's been a nightmare, it's cost us an enormous amount of money and manpower, not to mention inconvenience. I didn't want her in the first place, and never want to see her here again.
We'll always have our history against the Brits, that hasn't been eradicated by an 86-year old oul' wan turning up. It never will be.
Ah come on...
I agree with a sentence of that - I don't think they were honest about the disruption. They should've at least organised this for over the weekend, rather than disprupt people trying to go to work or go about business. Now whether that's the Brits, or a total overreaction by the cops, I don't know. I've no idea why they see the need to reduce the N7 to 2 lanes hours before she's even due to pass through, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
I'm with you to an extent there Macy. But there's an air of begrudgery about his initial statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I think the security services may have over reacted however its better safe than sorry.
Absolutely -and that was just to SEND an act to Eurovision. Imagine what hosting it would be like?Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Oh sorry ...wrong thread.
I remain delighted that she came, I think it shows great reconciliation. If I was going to highlight anyone for acting immaturely or insensitively, it would be Sinn Féin and those Eirigi spastics. And you can hardly blame the queen for the inability of Irish governments to organise a **** up in a brewery.
On a less political note, does anyone know where I can get my hands on a pack of the bright blue bin bags McAleese was wearing? I think they'd really bring some punch to my wheelie bin.
Speaking of punches, I reckon the baldy close protection guy on the right as they came into the Mansion House could've taken the entire room Jason Statham-style and walked away without a scratch. He was like 3 SAS guys rolled into one.
Well it was only the statement about cost, manpower and inconvenience I was supporting. I was stuck on the Naas road this morning, with a completely empty lane coned off, and about 10 bike cops clear a path through the bumper to bumper traffic for feckin horse box! Horses are more important than the citizens of the bloody state.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Wouldn't have seen too much wrong with the shinners stance, or Eirigi tbh. As far as I'm aware, it's been the even more extreme "Republican" groups protests that have ended in trouble, rather than eirigi ones which have apparently been properly stewarded. It's perfectly legitimate to abstain, and/or protest this visit. The SF stance more akin to the majority view of "meh" regarding the visit (which would, disruption aside, be my own view).Quote:
Originally Posted by dahamsta
I'm totally embarassed by the media's collective fawning over the visit, however. If we'd been given Home Rule would we even be independent now, given how easily some have slipped back into Union Flag waving mode?
Yeah, but when we can charge up to 20-40k to cover a female of the species, then we'll have equality with the equines!Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Britain can take it out of that 3 Billion they recently gave us to help keep the entire country afloat, eh???Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
No no they dont and never have chosen to have a monarchy, that is the point of monarchy, you DONT get a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
How difficult is that to comprehend?
Using the democratic will of the people to endorse the monarchy, ohh the irony.
Gave us to keep us afloat? Or gave us to sure up their banks debts in Ireland, as well as give some kind of prop to their retail outlets and other business interests in Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
There's no functional difference between the situation they have now, and the situation they would be in if they had a referendum on the monarchy, and the population voted resoundingly to keep it, as all metrics indicate that they would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
So remind us again, how did the British republic work out? An absolute monarch deposed for an absolute Lord Protector, deposed for a constitutional monarch. It suggests a choice at some point in British history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
As the metrics would indicate AT THIS POINT IN TIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
The problem being that the Monarchy is an institution that will continue into the future without the democratic will of the people being voiced on an institution that is unnellected and largely unnacountable and still wields significant power purely based on a birth right, the idea is ridiculous, a throwback to medievel society.
Quite bizarre people on here defending the institution that is monarchy.
I dont see choice, just political power play at the highest levels of British society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
Yet again the British people have never had a choice on "their" monarchy.
Agree with most of what u said but can it really be looked on as open arms when the general public have been mostly shut out within sight of the Queen? I wouldnt be too sure of that "maturity" that the press keep going on aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
As for myself, was initially against it but have to be honest the symbolism of where she has visited and the (what seems) genuine sense of respect shown by the Queen has been impressive.
Its just a pity that it cost so much, and that fool Mcaleese's ego must be massive at this stage.
A loan with some juicy interest?:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
It's not to keep the country afloat, but even if it was, it's mere pocket money to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Why is it bizarre? Even Arthur Griffith was a monarchist!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
If as citizens of a republic (albeit a dictionary republic) and democrats, we choose to accept the system of government of a friendly sovereign nation as entirely their affair, it’s hardly bizarre behaviour on our part.
That said, I do distinguish (as I suspect most people here would) between ceremonial, virtually powerless constitutional monarchies, which describes the British and all European ones (except the Vatican, I think) and those which are absolutist, kleptocratic or oligarchic, and utterly unsupportable as forms of government.