Republic of Ireland V Norway - Wednesday, 17th November 2010 - Friendly

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Originally Posted by rebelmusic

Aye i think it's alright to say "he knows what stokes can do" but he also needs to test these players. He knows 100% what Keane and Doyle can do so why play them?

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Keane is injured, but I'll take your point. I agree that new players should get chances in friendlies and new players will (Stuttgart88's point earlier in the thread). However, I think it is also important to have as much consistency as is possible at international level and this is part of the reason why I think Trap insists on playing what is the core of the team despite knowing what they have to offer.

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Originally Posted by rebelmusic

Think about it, when Miller didn't even have a club he was getting starts and then when he found some of his old form with hibs he was dropped from the squad!

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Fair enough point. I don't deny that Trap has made some odd selections. However, Miller's inclusion came at the beginning of Trap's reign when there were very little other options for centre midfield and I think it's fair to say that Trapattoni has since come to know our playing pool a little better. I haven't seen much of Stokes play this season, but I'd guess that Long is ahead of him because of his solid performances against Slovakia and Russia, while Walters is playing at a higher level and Trap has not worked with him before. OK, Stokes is scoring for fun in the SPL, but so was Lukas Jutkiewicz last season and there was no mad clamour for that eligible player to be included in a squad.

There is still time before the game. Stokes could be included yet.

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Originally Posted by AlaskaFox

I'd love Sammon to get a call-up, at least to acknowledge his form.

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Fair play to him and all but he could score 300 goals and I still wouldn't support a call-up.

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Fair play to him and all but he could score 300 goals and I still wouldn't support a call-up.

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Why not? Care to back it up?

In 'new' injury news, Ciaran Clark missed the game owing to a calf injury, and Houllier confirmed that Richard Dunne is struggling again with the knee problem that has ruled him out of previous matches.
From: http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball....#ixzz15Bb92fwA

Honestly who cares about this friendly? It will be same old same old. It could be Stan as manager smoking up the opposition for 5 goals or whatever.
Best to hope for is; We are fairly non injured in the future of this campaign.
What does a game in Nov matter, with this manager?
Clark wont see the light of day if he is Playing like Pele or ineligible. He wouldnt play. Why do people think he might have played? Has anyone noticed anything about our 70 YO Mng? McCarthy hasnt played yet for FKS.

He played against Brazil.

Right he did Boo! Exactly! I was waiting for that.

Call me stupid but talk to me when he gets blooded, and not in a useless freindly. See above.

If JMac was healthy you seem to be the chap that thinks he would be playing in this friendly.
Sorry, but there is no proof whatsoever that he would be.

Wait so...Traps already played him in a friendly before but definitely wouldn't play him in this friendly? I don't understand. I do think Trap might have given him some time in the second half if he was fit, yes, based on the fact he's already done it before. You have as much proof that he wouldn't as I do that he would i.e bugger all.

It is just funny, reading back how you love CC.
I guess you can say you were "right there" if we ever make a WC with, of course, CC.
Boo had CC back in the day.
Amazing.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

Right he did Boo! Exactly! I was waiting for that.

Call me stupid but talk to me when he gets blooded, and not in a useless freindly. See above.

If JMac was healthy you seem to be the chap that thinks he would be playing in this friendly.
Sorry, but there is no proof whatsoever that he would be.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

It is just funny, reading back how you love CC.
I guess you can say you were "right there" if we ever make a WC with, of course, CC.
Boo had CC back in the day.
Amazing.

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Given that second post, being called stupid is the least of your worries

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

It is just funny, reading back how you love CC.
I guess you can say you were "right there" if we ever make a WC with, of course, CC.
Boo had CC back in the day.
Amazing.

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Are you drunk?

Grow up Crosby.

Clark, Dunne, Kilbane all out:
http://greenscene.me/2010/11/villa-d...ireland-squad/

Wasn't St. Ledger carrying an injury in the last Preston game? Is he fit? If not, it looks like it'll be O'Dea and O'Shea centre back.

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Originally Posted by Predator

Wasn't St. Ledger carrying an injury in the last Preston game? Is he fit? If not, it looks like it'll be O'Dea and O'Shea centre back.

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Got injured at the start but stayed on. Someone mentioned it here I think.

Glad Dunne is getting a rest. Wish Clark could get a run in his place but unfortunately not.

Dunne, Clark, Kilbane, Keane, Folan and McShane all pull out of original squad but Trap won't call anyone up.
Jesus the man is frustrating. Perfect chance to look at some of the peripheral players, even in training games, but he won't do it.
:penquin:

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Originally Posted by AlaskaFox

Why not? Care to back it up?

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I'm just a DCFC fan who saw him play for us and can't see how'd he ever be good enough. Good physical attributes but without the intelligence to really put them to use. It's a wholly subjective, and quite possibly unfair, opinion! Just how I feel!

In fairness, I was being just a tad glib. If he did at Championship level it would turn my head and maybe change my mind. I simply don't rate the SPL for judging potential call-up's, particularly for strikers.

I'd put the following out:

Westwood

Foley O'Shea St Ledger S Kelly

Coleman Wilson Fahey Duff

Doyle Long

I'd then try out 4-5-1/4-3-3 from HT

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Dunne, Clark, Kilbane, Keane, Folan and McShane all pull out of original squad but Trap won't call anyone up.
Jesus the man is frustrating. Perfect chance to look at some of the peripheral players, even in training games, but he won't do it.
:penquin:

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Who should he call up?

With a bit of luck the team would've featured McCarthy, Clark, Walters, Cunningham, Long, Fahey and Coleman. Only injury has deprived us of those options, but the team on Wednesday will be vastly different. Surely that is looking at peripheral players?

I don't really see who else is banging down the door. And I don't support flooding the squad with people who arn't really in the frame just for the sake of it.

I think Murphy and Stokes have never really got a chance under Trap and (the latter most of all) are in good form

Given (Westwood ht)
Foley O’Shea O’Dea Cunningham
Coleman Wilson Gibson Duff
Walters Long

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

I think Murphy and Stokes have never really got a chance under Trap and (the latter most of all) are in good form

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Murphy isn't really in much form from what I've seen and heard. Stokes would be the only one making a case to be fair, but Trap doesn't seem to be a fan. And I would still rather look at Long and Walters getting good runs considering their form.

Either way the team and squad has a lot of new options. Should be interesting.

I think the prospect of seeing new full-backs is the only potentially exciting thing about this game. Foley at right-back and Coleman further up would be ideal. Cunningham should slot in at LB - not expecting miracles from him just yet, but it'll be good for him to get more experience. It'll be a good scrap for the wide midfield places with Duff, Hunt, McGeady and Lawrence - as well as Coleman - in competition. Long and Doyle will probably get the nod up front.

That leaves central midfield, and not one of our possible combinations - two of Whelan, Green, Wilson and Gibson - would fill me with any confidence. Whelan needs a more senior player in there alongside him - a la Steven Reid and Andrews in the last campaign. Put him alongside a less experienced player, and he looks lost. That's why I wouldn't have much faith in him for the future; he doesn't seem capable of guiding the younger lads. Any time he's played alongside Gibson, it's been a disaster. As risky as it seems, I'd like Trap to scrap the current midfield and just throw McCarthy and Meyler in for the Wales game, and keep them there for good, with Wilson and perhaps Andrews as back-up.

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Originally Posted by Supreme feet

That leaves central midfield, and not one of our possible combinations - two of Whelan, Green, Wilson and Gibson - would fill me with any confidence.

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i think there are serious doubts over green and gibson...

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/...g_ireland.html

would love to see fahey get a chance in there

It would be interesting to see Fahey. If he had a good game, it'd be hard for Trap to leave him out again; he definitely offers more than any of the others in terms of passing and link-up play. Just thinking about the Pats-Hertha game, I don't think any of our current midfielders could run a game or show the passing range that Fahey did that evening.

Still, there's always the possibility of him being over-run by a big, powerful 5-man Norwegian midfield. But that will probably happen regardless of who Trap puts in.

Trap called someone up - Joe Murphy in place of Keiren Westwood
http://greenscene.me/2010/11/trapatt...oleman-debuts/

Darron Gibson is definitely out, his daughter is ill in hospital, I hope everything is alright.

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Dunne, Clark, Kilbane, Keane, Folan and McShane all pull out of original squad but Trap won't call anyone up.
Jesus the man is frustrating. Perfect chance to look at some of the peripheral players, even in training games, but he won't do it.
:penquin:

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Still leaves 19 men though, doesn't it? Still 2 in every position as far as I can tell.

I really want to see Foley and Coleman start on the right side. I think that could be a good combination

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Originally Posted by JGKyne

I really want to see Foley and Coleman start on the right side. I think that could be a good combination

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I want to see this :

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Foley O'Shea Kelly Cunningham

Coleman Wilson Fahey Duff

Doyle Long

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Originally Posted by TrapAPony

I want to see this :

Given

Foley O'Shea Kelly Cunningham

Coleman Wilson Fahey Duff

Doyle Long

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Has Kelly ever played CB?

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Originally Posted by TrapAPony

I want to see this :

Given

Foley O'Shea Kelly Cunningham

Coleman Wilson Fahey Duff

Doyle Long

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I like the cut of your jib. Thats what I'd like to see too.

Stephen Kelly at CB? You must be joking. Don't you all remember his debut under Trap? He let the ball bounce and we conceded a goal early on to someone. He looked very out of place.

In fairness, he's played all of Fulham's last two matches, away to Chelsea and away to Newcastle. Might be worth another look in light of all the injuries we have, but certainly not at centre back.

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Originally Posted by JGKyne

I really want to see Foley and Coleman start on the right side. I think that could be a good combination

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Ditto. Definitely a combo that would pique my interest. Not to mention the fact I think Foley should be picking up regular caps anyway.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Stephen Kelly at CB? You must be joking. Don't you all remember his debut under Trap? He let the ball bounce and we conceded a goal early on to someone. He looked very out of place.

In fairness, he's played all of Fulham's last two matches, away to Chelsea and away to Newcastle. Might be worth another look in light of all the injuries we have, but certainly not at centre back.

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Home to Georgia wasn't it? Played right back I think and made a bad mistake early on. Wouldn't fancy him at CB at all.

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Originally Posted by Sullivinho

Home to Georgia wasn't it? Played right back I think and made a bad mistake early on. Wouldn't fancy him at CB at all.

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He was definitely playing right back and yes I believe it was home to Georgia. I remember O'Shea had let the ball bounce and then Kelly failed to deal with it. I think the ball bounced again and that was that. I remember not being very impressed.

Paddy Kenny could've been called up for Westwood. By all accounts he's been on fire since he came back from suspension.

Yeah that game Kelly made the mistake was georgia at home when we won with a Robbie Keane penalty which was never ever a peno!
Though I believe Keith Andrews scored a perfectly fine goal that was disallowed

I know Kelly doesn't normally play there but it's a friendly, not a competitive international match, plus we have alot of injuries. Time to try something different. One could put Wilson centrehalf and Whelan in the middle I suppose.

It would make experimentation in other areas a bit easier if St Ledger is fit to partner O'Shea.