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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
He did well for the 10 mins he played, and deserves to start, but the talk here is a bit over the top, comparing him to quinn and stapleton after a couple of half performances,
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
He did well for the 10 mins he played, and deserves to start, but the talk here is a bit over the top, comparing him to quinn and stapleton after a couple of half performances,
IMO the way Trap sees it is Keane, Cox and Walters for one starting spot and Doyle and Long for the other. Despite Cox doing well on Tuesday, I hope Walters has pushed ahead of him now. So if Keane is injured, Walters and Long to start for me.
You mean the person who claimed Walters was an all in one version of the best qualities of Quinn, Stapleton and Cascarino?Quote:
Originally Posted by Manblue
Was that over the top?
Yea apologies, wrong quote, although i saw it claimed in another thread he was MOTM aswell.....which is a a bit bizzarre tooQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I'm the person who DIDN'T claim Walters was an all in one version of Quinn, Stapleton and Cascarino. He has elements of all three. He was only on the pitch for ten minutes but he was a major thorn in the Armenians side for that amount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
He almost single handedly turned the tide back towards the Armenian goal at a time when they were running through us like water. If you remember he was able to take the long balls from defence on his chest and distribute them perfectly (something which is very rare in Trap's team of the present - usually Shane Long or Kevin Dolye are struggling to win the ball in the air). And he was able to find gaps in the Armenian defence with alarming regularity. He showed quite a lot in ten or twelve minutes on the pitch, and if he gets the nod against Estonia he'll be the perfect target man for Duff and McGeady from the wings.
All I'm saying is Walters' presence in attack papers over a lot of cracks we have in our midfield. Best use him home and away against Estonia. I have a feeling that Trap is going to go with him and Long / Cox in the absence of Robbie and Doyle.
You bypassed the sarcasm Mark, which was not directed at you.
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Originally Posted by geysir
Who was it directed at then, unless im missing something?
What a man. He has done it again today for Stoke v Fulham.
I'm fully expecting a Keane/Cox and Long partnership next month but Walters' approach to, and success at hold-up play is impressive. I hadn't realised how irritating those speculative flick-ons had become until this guy appeared for ten minutes on tuesday night to showcase his radical 'cushion/control/retain' approach to long balls.
Purely on type of player, we need somebody who can do as Sullivinho said if we're to continue playing this long ball game. Our strategy right now for a long ball game doesn't make any sense and we really struggle in the possession stats as a result since 95% of our moves break down. Walters, Folan and perhaps Best can all play that role yet all were sidelined for poor attitudes for turning up to friendlies to which I support Traps omission of them. I'd welcome Walters given a chance in the team if and only if he's turned a corner with his attitude.
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Originally Posted by Murfinator
All three big men sidlined for poor attitudes. Something in that perhaps? Maybe they were left out of the attacking moves on the training ground? Maybe they could see that Trap has no plans for them in his scheme?
Who knows? Might explain the poor attitude? Hopefully it's behind them now. Walters should start and Best deserves a place in squad.
id be happy to wait and see how best gets on by the end of the season to be honest, still time to be in the Euros were we to qualify then.
Im not sure i see best as a consistent(long) form type player.
Maybe that's a load of bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Most likely it doesn't.Quote:
Who knows? Might explain the poor attitude?
With only 4 forwards in the squad, the competition for a squad place has seldom been hotter.Quote:
Hopefully it's behind them now. Walters should start and Best deserves a place in squad.
Great point Geysir. A little thought thing from Ireland fans, I humbly think, is the value of competiton for places on the squad.
"True Competition breeds success," said some dead guy of note. But it is true, especially for Euro 2012 squads, like ours.
The more Walters plays the more Trap will like him I reckon. The main issue is his availability to play. If trap can count on him to show up even if carrying slight knocks then I reckon he will start alot of games.
He can hold it up, he can lead the line, he can run the channels, he will defend from the front, in essence he is perfect for this irish team. Walters is way ahead of Doyle in terms of form right now and dare i say it, there not much between them in terms of ability either. When you take away effort and enthusiasm from Doyles game there is not alot there.
We are decently stocked with Strikers right now so it looks good for the future. But for the love of god Trap, pick Leon Best in the squad instead of Andy Keogh.
[QUOTE=Strongbow10;1544978]He can hold it up, he can lead the line, he can run the channels, he will defend from the front, in essence he is perfect for this irish team. Walters is way ahead of Doyle in terms of form right now and dare i say it, there not much between them in terms of ability either. When you take away effort and enthusiasm from Doyles game there is not alot there.
There bloody is a lot there, including a fantastic ability to beat the first man nearly every time he has the ball. Doylers a bit off form, yeah but he's a wonderful player. Surely he's allowed a rough patch.
[QUOTE=Fizzer;1545238]ah we will just have to agree to differ. Doyle is a good player, he has his merits, but he has his limitations aswell in fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongbow10
When his work ethic is spot on he is a real asset. When he looks disinterested and frustrated like he has in his last few games for Ireland then his lack of goal threat comes under real scrutiny I feel.
Whatever about Robbie, he gets slated for some of his performances but he provides crucial goals at times. If Doyle isn't scoring he better be working his ass off, and he hasn't looked himself for the last 3-4 games.
Walters is the form player right now and its up to him to make that spot his.
Walters just scored a peno for stoke against Newcastle it's now 1-2.
It was quite funny, he really leathered it right at the keeper who only just managed to get out of the way.
Demba Ba got the other two.
He just got a 3rd (peno) so now 1-3.
It was one awful game to watch. The 1/2 time entertainment came via the Romanian tv stream which showed the fan attack on a Steaua player and the resulting mayhem.
I quite enjoyed it actually!
walters really has looked impressive recently, i wonder will trap be thinking of giving him any serious playing time in the playoffs after he cameo against armenia and subsequent form
Well it looks like robbie will be fit, so that rules cox out, no doyle and injured long points to robbie/walters front two methinks for the first legQuote:
Originally Posted by the bear
like the sound of that, but did he not start cox and robbie in the macedonia away match, whats to say he wouldn't do it againQuote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Logically I would pair Keane with Walters, but as you say Keane and Cox were paired together in Macedonia, so cant see Trap starting with anything other than those 2 up frontQuote:
Originally Posted by the bear
Yep, that's how I see it too. I'd pick Walters all day long, but I think trap favours Cox.
Penalty to Stoke after Caldwell spread his arms to block a Cameron Jerome header. Walters steps up and powers the penalty low to Al-Habsi's right...1-1 and Wigan down to 10 men.
Just picked up an assist on Stoke's second. Great interplay between Stoke's front three...Crouch knocks it forward, Walters nods on to Jerome who provides a great finish from a tight angle.
2-2 now though, crazy few minutes.
Great interview with Walters in the Irish Post - just read from 1st week of December.
Speaks absolutely volumes about the man as he took decisions to forgo big wages to drop divisions for family reasons - explains his years out of the limelight.
Also had not appreciated he was also a victim of a Givens grudge with the U21s.
Can't find a link - but if you can locate its a very good and insightful article.
It doesn't seem to be online. Can you scan it?
Cant load (size restriction) a version which is readable - I can email if you pp me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
You can make a thumbnail or just link to an image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
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Did Walters not drop out of a friendly squad last year because his wife was giving birth? Many of us, including me, questioned his commitment at the time but after reading the above article I can't blame him for wanting to be there for his wife.
I think the writer has confused two issues there. He missed the Carling Cup game as his wife was giving birth. He missed an FA Cup tie with the vomiting bug a few months earlier, before he joined Stoke.
Well done Paddy, it's a very good read.
We're suckers for a story of an honest pro, responsible family man, loves and respects his mother, knows his roots, knocked down by Givens & Keane only to rise again and now standing taller than ever.
We could probably field an entire team of honest pros, responsible family man who love and respect their mothers, and were knocked down by Givens or Keane (or both) only to rise again and are now standing taller than ever.
I already meet 75% of those criteria and have no reticence about crossing Don or Roy. The dream lives on!
The story is great. I just wish he had gotten a cap earlier on, during his time at Ipswich when he was playing well and the offers from the Premiership clubs were coming in. Still, he hasn't missed any major tournaments.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Okay, name them, fulfilling all of the above, but your example would have to be knocked down by both Givens and Keane (as I wrote) and are now in the team or knocking hard on the door.
I now contend that Walters is unique, the only one that has bounced back from that type of adversity to a stronger position, both in club and international profile :)
Havent read the article yet but given his form, the goals he gets and what he offers to us up front, he has to be on the plane to Poland. Dare I say this but I think he deserves to be in the squad ahead of Doyle based on form and what they offer in the forward line.
elroy, the Euros aren't for another six months. "Form" is totally irrelevant at the moment and it would be very unusual if both he and Doyle weren't on the plane.
A good list of all the people Givens has alienated would help me narrow it down. I'm sure there's a thread somewhere with these stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir