the worst result in da history of irish football happened 2nite
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the worst result in da history of irish football happened 2nite
I absolutely love your signature.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Could add "beat a Welsh team away" to date.
Hence my shocked face;)Quote:
Originally Posted by De Town
So does confirm Fenlon as worse than Matthews when it comes to being way out of depth when 'competing' in Europe?
already achieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
You gotta admire the optimism if nothing else.
Depressing, even worse than Shels result to that Maltese crowd a few years back. A real opportunity missed.
To be fair to Bohs I only chuckled at the result from Wales. I absolutely wet myself when Hibs scored in Tolka.
Good, petty, times
Great night made a mint on that:D
Bohs fans shouldn't worry, at least they have Johnny Logan to comfort them
http://www.inpho.ie/cgi-bin/WebObjec...cbsvctukbzOqd0
:D:D:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTGeKHlJ1g
Thats what you get for being a racist Jason :D
http://www.sportsfile.com/id/443744/
This is without a shadow of a doubt the worst European Cup/Champions League defeat ever. At least Chisnau had 6-7 internationals in their squad, even if they were Moldovan.
Extremely embarassing result for Bohs, ultimately its the end product of what I, and many other LoI fans and clubs have been talking about for years.
Shamrock Rovers made no profit last year. We had crowds far in excess of what Bohs had, off the top of my head I'd say (at this hour of night) I'd say we have double the fanbase so when Bohs had 2,500 people at their Euro game, we had 5,000 (both roughly, and both in the relatively unprestigious first round)
And yet we were out bid for several players by Bohs this off-season. When they outbid us, and Rovers asked the FAI to make sure the salary cap was fully enforced we were called bad losers/bitter etc. Half way through last season Bohs had the league wrapped up, then an embargo was enforced, pay cut was taken etc, and they scraped over the line. This time round, after Rovers asked to ensure finances were in proper order, for the first time in 2 years Bohs haven't run away with the league by this time, when fair restrictions were put in place. Coincidence?
Bohs entire financial model has been based on in the next two years getting through to a group stage in Europe to pay off their staggering debt. They've promised players money they haven't been able to pay two years in a row, and yet we're meant to treat them as fantastic champions. A few days ago it was revealed that they've yet again not paid players their money promised, is it any surprise they've been hammered today?
God knows where they go from here, they gambled so badly that unlike say Pats last year they can't just scale back and start to rebuild. They are in big trouble. I've no pity for them. Rovers have built a pretty good team this year on a sustainable budget. Probably not one good enough to beat Bnei Yahuda on Thursday, but hey, we've got crowds of less than 4,000 most weeks so what can we expect. If we were Bohs we'd have paid Twigg an extra €1000 for no particular reason, and expect that to make the big breakthrough in Europe. Ridiculous.
Dundalk didn't sign 15 players when they were looking good after 3 weeks, Pats didn't strengthen their squad with imports they couldn't afford, and we didn't suddenly give Mannus a four figure deal after he made a few good saves. Only one (max) of Pats, Rovers and Dundalk could win something this year, but all will have better seasons than Bohs. Hopefully tonight is the final nail in the coffin of ridiculous 'financial doping' by LoI clubs. If it's also the final nail in the coffin of Bohemian FC I dont think anyone can have any tears for them after what they've seen happen to a half dozen clubs, and yet carried on blindly and arrogantly, regardless.
Bohs fans can never slag De Town anymore :eek:.
Is Madden cup-tied for the next round?
If people on here are laughing at Bohs tonight just imagine what it says for the rest of us if the league champions get beat 4-0 to a team you lot give no credit to. Either TNS are a far better side than people give them credit for or our league is not as good as people think it is.
Just back from the TNS game and I have to say - Bohs were beaten by some decent play.
On every count tonight Bohs were poor and TNS were much better. The Saints were much pacier, took every chance they had, closed-down Bohs players immediately, kept the ball and passed it around on the ground a lot, and they were much hungrier for the win. Conversely Bohs looked like the team who were just coming out of the off season. They were slow to the ball, uncommital in tackles, their defence was caught for pace plenty of times (particularly Powell), they had few shots on goal, and they were carved open by TNS on the break time after time. Bohs seemed unable or unwilling to try to play through midfield, and their primary strategy was to launch long balls to the left wing - even though TNS had a solid defender who was happy to just head them back every time. And they seemed to have noright wing play at all (Cillian Brennan looked particularly disinterested as the game wore on). Bar a 10min spell straight after half time, Bohs never really looked like scoring. There wasn't a single Bohs player who had a good game tonight, and quite a few who had a poor one (Quigley, Powell, Byrne, Brennan). The weather didn't help, but was no excuse.
Maybe it was an unusually good night for TNS and an unusually bad night for Bohs, but if TNS played like that in the LOI every week they'd be Premier title contenders.
For my money the result tonight wasn't as bad a collapse as Carmarthen v Longford, as that result was hard to explain. It's very easy to explain what happened tonight - Bohs were well beaten and can have no complaints.
Well TNS do seem to have been better than they were given credit for - even the local commentators were shocked by how well they played. I don't think it's the league, though - it's Bohs that have gotten worse. Fingal got a great result against a team from a much stronger league.
The truth is probably both those things - particularly this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
that's been said about 4,000,440 times already.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
What has happened to Conor Powell this season?
He was taken off and replaced by the Jasist at half time last night and he had a shocker against us at the weekend as well.
He was one of the best full backs in the league for the last couple of seasons but seems to have gone backwards this term.
Hard luck bohs. Welsh teams have always been underrated....
Suppose the writing was on the wall to an extent, werent TNS unlucky to be beaten in the first leg as it was?
Bohs (paddy madden) missed some very easy chances. He should've had at least 2, and could've even had 4/5. I didn't see the game, and TNS had 1/2 chances themselves, but from highlights and reports Bihs were in control for most of itQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
It doesn’t say much apart from Bohs got beat 3-0 away from home in a cup competition. Teams lose games. Drogheda have beaten Pats twice this season but we’re 22 points ahead of them in the league. No question at all we’re a better side despite the two losses. Similarly Pats knocked out a Russian side last year. In no way did this mean that the LOI was better than the Russian league. It just meant that over two legs we beat them. No more, no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
I absolutely agree that some people here vastly overestimate how good the league is, but one or two results don’t change much. UEFA ranks our league at 29th, and way above the Welsh league. These rankings are built up over five years and give a decent indication. Last night didn’t
there is no good explaination for bohs to get hammered 4-0 whatever way you look at it. were mid season, play in a stronger league and even though they are full time aswell bohs would have the better squad. no excuses, our teams shouldnt be getting beaten like this.
Was up at the first game and up to hour mark it was pretty much even, after the goal and especially in the last 10 minutes Bohs opened them up quiet easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
One thing that I noticed about the first game, and the commentators said it last night, Bohs will try 3 or 4 passes and if it doesnt get them anywhere it will go back to the defence who hoof it, absolutely no patience. TNS had two big centre halves, good in the air, shizer when attacked at speed. It sounded like Bohs played into their hands last night, and did so in the first leg as well i thought.
TNS appear to do the best with what they have got, they are very disciplined and they have a bit of speed going forward. They are very limited though and I expect them to be hammered by Anderlecht.
As a league of Ireland supporter for near 40 years I was sickened to hear what happened Bohs last night. It is embarrasing for the leagure but we need to move on now. I support any LOI club playing in Europe and will continue to do so no matter who they are. At a local level there is plenty of rivarly between the clubs as there should be and this adds to the excitement of the league, but at European level we should be supporting each other.
But below is a post received on Oriel web from some Bohs supporter called Frank which I have to say I was annoyed at. So to you Frank I am delighted for you, to the rest of the Bohs supporters lift your heads up now and move on and Good luck in the future
irish football man wrote:Hello my names frank. Im a bohs fan and if theres any dfc players our officals on this fourm i would like to thank you for embarsing irish football we have come a long way in europe over recent years and results like thoses i really thought were a thing of the past. Every irish team in the past number s given it there all apart from a fc haka match. Pats last year. Bohs the last number of years,cork derry,even sligo last year give it ago fingal last night as well played a much better team in my view than levski. If we beat tns which we should we move on to play anderlect and if god forbid rovers get threw they play juventus and you wont see any them teams much bigger teams win6-0 even over the two legs. So please try your best to stay clear of europe this will be my only post on this page. And i also forgot about drogheda and shels playing there hearts out for themselves over and out
Sums up the retarded nature of some fans!
What an absolute cretin.
IN 3 years in european football, Fenlon's side have won one tie; against Rhyl in the inter toto. They've lost to Latvian, Austrian and Welsh oppositionQuote:
Originally Posted by boneym
And to think they binned Kenny after one bad result to an Estonian team....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Rumours at the start of the season were that he had a major bust up with Fenlon in the dressing room, but kept his place in the squad regardless. On the SRFC Ultras forum the mysterious whisteblower who seems to pop up once a year with copies of Bohs accounts (so obviously has legitimate sources) is also talking about a bust-up before the TNS game over unpaid bonuses, which I'd be inclined to believe considering just how awful/uninterested Bohs apparently were.Quote:
Originally Posted by dong
I undersntad the arguement was also over bonuses for the Anderlecht game.
Which shows exactly where Bohs players' heads are
Something in the Welsh water?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Its the damage that this result will do to the co-efficient is where the real pain lies, not to mention undoing the good PR that the likes of Pats generated with their results in recent years. We can only hope that Rovers pull it off and get a glamour tie against Juve which would be great exposure nationally for the league.
Finally, I cant understand why anyone doesnt support the LOI teams in Europe, they are representing our league and our country and its in our interests for them to do well. For European nights, domestic grievances should be set aside.
I can't understand the two faced approach by some fans who hate certain teams one week, and support them the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Incidentally, with regard to the coefficient... if Bohs had lost 2-1 over there and progressed on away goals. then lost home and away to Anderlecht (plus AN Other) it would have had the same effect on the coefficient as last night's result. The only difference would be that Bohs would rake it in.
Bohs accounts are widely and openly available (ask Dodge). The story about the "bust up" over bonuses was in the Herald - some "mysterious whistleblower" and some "legitimate sources" :rolleyes: this the same "mysterious whistleblower" that had Fenlon gone to Dundee ? Bohs bankrupt ? Relegated? in breach of salary protocol ? etc etc etc pleeeease.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
looks like he might have got one rightQuote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
thanks boneym. It really, really hurts but i cant begin to imagine what it was like for the lads who were there. I knew TNS would be no pushover but i didnt see this happening, i honestly thought it would be 1-1 over there. Just sickened.Quote:
Originally Posted by boneym
Funnily enough, im glad that Frank got his words shoved down his mouth. No team is in a position to gloat over any other teams euro results - we've all been there before and we will be again.
Players should be ashamed of themselves. I hope they are f*cked out of the club as soon as they get back. Absolutely disgraceful. Nutsy needs to shoulder quite a lot of the blame here too if im being honest.
Im beginning to look on the possible "positives" of this. The next few years are going to hurt but it gives us a chance to get our act together.