i honestly think he sucks. he's not really that good. overrated.
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i honestly think he sucks. he's not really that good. overrated.
I'm not normally one to jump to anyone connected to Bohs' defence but he clearly doesn't "suck". He's one of your most successful managers ever I'd imagine?. There's many arguments could be had about his budget etc at Shels and Bohs but he has delivered what he was paid to deliver at both clubs hence him being highly regarded by other clubs.
This lad just keeps getting better :DQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
"What do you say when words are not enough"?
funny:)
as :)
fook.:)
I never saw you calling him overrated when he was winning you leagues and cups :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
seriously? Quit the sh!te talk. He's the best manager we've ever had.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Get over yourselves Rovers fans FFS. None of this stuff that any Rovers poster is posting here is anything that hasnt already been either leaked to the press or posted on our messageboard. A messageboard that, unlike the ultra-sensitive ultras, we dont shut down when we get in a strop.. or issue blanket bans to opposition supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
For people saying that the LOI is inferior to the SPL in terms of standard then read this.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-21563181/
Fenlons ok in LOI but out of that he is out of his depth. last 2 years we had poor challengers. I blame Fenlon for Bohs failure to get past salzburg and indeed the latvian team the year before in intertoto. im not being reactionary im genuinely not a fan. the guy has small man syndrome and has an inflated sense of his own importance.Quote:
Originally Posted by De Town
i would wecome damien richardson with open arms. i just think he has a bit more class than nutsy.
In all fairness Stu the stuff about Nutsy's interview in London, the details of his contract negotiations with Dundee Utd and the stuff about him being able to walk away from his contract because he was owed money was on the Ultras forum before it appeared in the media or the Bohs MB.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
The same poster indicated yesterday that the FAI have rejected Bohs budget for the new season too.
i'd say he thought he was so special having meetings in london. lol i almost pity him.
Think it says more about Rovers fans tbh. Obsessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
I think you'll find the BBC link alleging Nutsy was in London made its way on to the Bohs forum 12 minutes before it made it on to the Rovers one. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
Fenlon won't be walking away because of bonuses he hasn't been paid yet.
While it's going to be tough for Bohs to lose a genuinely good manager, outside our insular little world (ie the world ends outside of Ireland and the UK) Pat Fenlon moving to a club in a higher rated league is making press reports for good reasons in Europe. Yesterday in Kicker there was a report on "Ireland's best manager" moving to Scotland, in Russia's Sovietsky Sport something similiar and even in Austria it was reported (possibly because of recent memories). Forget the bitter interclub rivlaries and for a minute let's pretend that all is well in the LOI, and more importantly that it means something outside of the 27 counties (Derry included).
The biggest laugh i had in a long time was Gerry Conways Quote about people leaking stories to the Press being mischevious. Not so long ago since the 2 Gerry's leaks burst in their faces over Sean Connor.
..........just as it must be galling for Shams that despite such "know it all" fans they (1) went bankrupt (2) are still playing in a rented ground nearly 30 years after Milltown and (3) blew their only chance of a title in decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
Physican heal thyself ? :rolleyes:
Agreed deferral of bonuses (according to this thread) ? How is that a breach of contract ? the fact is that it is not and therefore how can Nutsey "walk" due to a non existant breach ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeO
He is of course allowed offset bonuses owed against any compensation due (unlike other clubs Bohs honour what we owe) but to suggest he can walk is, yet again, ignorance of contract law (SEE Danninger V Bohs suggestion on another thread).
Perhaps Tallaght IT should introduce a course in contract law as there appears to be a real need there ;)
You just read what someone else posted on the bohs messageboard right? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
As far as I can see this could fall under the rule in Pinnel's case, and so a contract for part-payment of an already existing debt must be supported by fresh consideration. Now the original Pinnel Case has obviously been thrown in to some doubt by cases such as Roffey Bros, but even there was at least a penalty clause was sufficient consideration...what sort of consideration could Fenlon have been offered as part of this verbal agreement? I'm no contract law expert unlike yourself, so would be good to hear am I way off on this or not :)
No we didn't, we went into examinership. There is a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
So what? The cost of renting is pretty much the same as the cost of running the stadium. Infact the cost of renting is cheaper. It makes sence.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
15/24Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Apparently in form of verbal contract but I understand this to be binding in law (unless Nutsey is denying it happened). I have not seen accounts and don't know when the liability arose so it may not be proper to include it in accounts issued to date. Only speculation I admit, but as reliable as your views.Quote:
Originally Posted by BYCTWD
(1) No, much more fun here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked;1302407[B
(2) thank you for your view and if Dundee Utd/ Nutsey wish to follow up on it I look forward to Bohs finally winning a court action (about time too). Lets not hold our breath on them taking your advice though.....
It's already been argued on here though that regardless of whether or not a verbal agreement is binding in law, it is specifically not allowed in the licencing process, where written agreements only are valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
I doubt any breach of contract claim would be decided on by the FAI whatever about licencing provisions around finance they would not be able (or indeed want ) to tear up a contract between a club and a manager. Especially as Dundee appear to have made an illegal approach (Yes, I know it happens all the time) to fenlon in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I doubt it will come to that and expect the clubs to agree a figure somewhere between 50 - 100 K.(which in my view was all we could ever have expected) hopefully nearer 100K :)
Erm, are you saying that Bohs would be able to overturn one of the fundamental provisions of contract law the world over, that consideration is required for a verbal agreement to be binding? (A bare verbal agreement isn't binding in law, despite what you said earlier)Quote:
(2) thank you for your view and if Dundee Utd/ Nutsey wish to follow up on it I look forward to Bohs finally winning a court action (about time too). Lets not hold our breath on them taking your advice though.....
I was asking what sort of consideration Bohs would have offered Fenlon for this new 'renegotiated' contract, which is where the rule in Pinnel's case may apply, i.e. that it was for satisfaction of a prior debt. If bohs didn't offer him any 'consideration', I can't see how that verbal agreement is in any way binding, meaning it would have been breach of contract not to to pay him as per the original deal.
So what sort of consideration could Bohs have offered him for that new deal, I'm not saying you'd know, but I can't even think of anything at all you could offer him in that situatino that would form adequate consideration from a legal p.o.v. And if so, what makes you think Bohs would win that case as you said in your last post?
taking one post off a message board ! How wonderfully scientific and so typical of the shams. Show all the views expressed on the thread or don't bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Hoop
PS so glad to see you have at least improved your sources ;)
Can't we simply save everyone the bother and substitute the blackcurrant tea for some Kool-Aid?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce
Not far off finding out if he's going or not now... Will be done by 6 either way
Latest word is that the deal is off because of Conway's ridiculous posturing, Dundee Utd saying they simply can't deal with Bohemians board :D
Fenlon understandably not too happy as Conway is shafting both Dundee Utd and Fenlon, he may well resign if the deal doesn't go through, leaving Bohs with no compensation and being without a manager. If he goes to Dundee Utd anyway expect a hilarious court case! Very funny stuff altogether
Dundee United has decided not to pursue any further interest in Pat Fenlon as team manager due to the excessive compensation demand made by his club and an unwillingness to reduce this. We now consider the matter at an end and will pursue other options.
http://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/inde...d=3389&cd=2010
Does that mean that Fenlon will resign over the weekend and Dundee Utd get him for nothing?Quote:
Dundee United has decided not to pursue any further interest in Pat Fenlon as team manager due to the excessive compensation demand made by his club and an unwillingness to reduce this. We now consider the matter at an end and will pursue other options.
It may be so. I'd imagine Fenlon will be receiving a lot of legal advice from his own solicitor and no doubt from Dundee Utd's too. If he walks out on Bohs and takes up the Dundee Utd job on Monday morning then that leaves them open to a settlement, though that may be months/years down the line, and a more reasonable sum at tribunal than what that madman Conway is asking for. Amazing behaviour from Bohemians board yet again.Quote:
Does that mean that Fenlon will resign over the weekend and Dundee Utd get him for nothing?
Oh and for those still suggesting Rovers forum spouts lies and doesn't have their sources etc, they broke the story about Fenlon's deal being off an hour and a half before Dundee Utd's official statement :D
http://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/inde...d=3389&cd=2010
He's staying at Bohs
They've broken the details of the deal all the way through on the Rovers MB, meanwhile Bohs fans (and even their board!) have seemed in the dark right the way through. Hopefully people wont be as quick to dismiss Rovers fans as being completely clueless when discussing Bohs and the SCP in future!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory H
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Originally Posted by Doomofman
Unlikely.
You reckon he'll just quit now?
Not necessarily, let's see how this one plays out over the weekend. Remember he openly flew back to have it out with Gerry Conway the other day, and the Rovers forum are reporting him as being furious at the way the deal broke down earlier today. Then there's the fact they have stood in the way of his career progression by asking for a completely ludicrous sum and showing how amateur they are in such negotiations. Would he still consider his position tenable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomofman
Given the compo negotiation, if Fenlon were to resign (as any manager can do at any time), is he free to just join Dundee? Or is only because of apparent breach of contract by Bohs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
Couldn't Bohs turn down his resignation if he wanted to try that.
here we go, three in a row! :D
;)
for the squealing pigs on this messageboard, im joking - dont get your kaks in a twist...
Well you're not really free to resign at any time, it would have to be accepted by the Board, otherwise the manager is in breach of contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
If this was an ordinary case Fenlon would resign, Bohs would refuse his resignation. He would walk anyway, and sign a new deal with Dundee Utd. Bohemians would sue Pat Fenlon/Dundee Utd, and be awarded a sum by a tribunal. The way I see it is that Bohs saw SFA paid DU £300k for Levein, and ludicrously based their negotiations around that thinking they too should be entitled to such a figure. I'd say a settlement would be nowhere near that sum, and would take a long time to come through, probably not ideal considering Bohemians financial, erm, 'predicaments'
IF however Bohs do owe money to Fenlon then they're in breach of his contract. He can then effectively rip up his contract and walk away for free (or sue for the money/breach). He'd then be free to join Dundee Utd and Bohemians would receive no compensation for him. Some Bohs fans seem to say that he is owed money, but that a verbal agreement was reached to deal with this. Despite what Bohs fans seem to think, that verbal agreement is not legally binding, unless Fenlon was offered some sort of consideration for that new renegotiated deal, and I personally can't think of what type of consideration they could have offered him.
Of course Dundee Utd may be completely exasperated with the whole thing and no longer want Fenlon at all. Would Fenlon really go back to work at Bohemians, or would he walk resign? My guess is that he'd be so p*ssed off with Conway that he could no longer go on working for them, resign, and spend some time looking for a new gig in the UK, boosted by his now higher profile in the UK press. Again, this way Bohs wouldn't receive a penny. Of course Dundee Utd would still be looking for a new manager, so who knows, maybe the original title of this thread could be restored yet....
Yes of course. Stupid me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy