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You'd like to think that if any of them had half a brain they'd realize that they were just being capped for the sake of stopping us picking them, not one of them is even half in contention for a World Cup call up from England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
Another name I've heard linked is Matthew Connolly from QPR, Tardelli spends an awful lot of time down that way and this fella can't of gone unnoticed
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Originally Posted by Wangball
Footballers/brains!?:D
You're right about Connolly though. Came through the Arsenal Youth system under Brady and does qualify.
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Originally Posted by Alf Honn
Intruiging... Finally something to gabber about.
It'll kick off the usual Plastic Paddy debate but it does tug at the interest levels? Who are they? Then when they're named we pay particular attention to the club form, then even even the hardcore fenians despite the reservations are mildly curious about them in the next Friendly...
A defender, Winger and Attacker!!! I wonder who it is? Is the defender Cahill I wonder? Maybe he's looked at Terry, Ferdinand, Upson, Brown, King, Woodgate, even Shawcross and Mancienne and thought about it (Not discussing the merits of his thought process. Just speculating)..
The winger is more of interest. Wonder who that is?Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Gaël Kakuta's Japanese grandfather is allegedly half Irish!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
Just going on my previous post I'd say there's more than a chance that its Hogan Ephraim, again from the QPR link.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
He made his eligibility known, through his agent, last year. I reckon that initially it was maybe a Gary Cahill-esque ploy to ignite some interest within the England set up but that hasn't panned out for him.
As for O'Hara/Noble they have to realize that they currently look like being skipped out in the England stakes by the likes of Wileshire & Lansbury (sp!) at Arsenal. If they want to play international football now is their chance.
Whilst I agree that in an ideal world our team would be 11 Irish born players we have to accept we don't live in an ideal world. And frankly I could'nt give a hoot if they weren't brought up eating coddle, being altar boys & riverdancing at weekends or whether they have 10, 20 or 50 England Under 21 caps as long as when they pull on our jersey they play with the pride and passion that it deserves.
Who are you agreeing with? How would that be a perfect world? Makes a mockery of the 1000's of 2nd generation fans who follow the BIG and great servants such as Kilbane, Breen and co who have represented us down through the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
It makes it worse that you couldnt care less how those who might represent us actually qualify??
I don't believe and will never believe that an Irish team should be 11 Irish born players. Plenty of people had to get the boat in times past, and many may have to get it in the future. So long as the person is proud to be Irish, proud of their heritage and the sacrifices their kin had to make, and doesn't have to have their belly rubbed to declare then I'd be happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
I was born in Dublin, speak like a Dub, but have never once felt a part of Dublin. My folks are both from Kerry and I try to go their as often as I can, visiting uncles cousins etc, and keeping up to date with whats going on.
Seriously doubt Noble would even consider it... He has that "Rule Britania" vibe about him, like John Terry or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
Why should it matter how they qualify to play for us? As long as they do qualify it doesn't bother me in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
My point is that they don't need to be like Kilbane or Breen, 2 guys who were obviously brought up steeped in the traditions of their ancestry and incredibly proud of it, as long as that once they come on board and commit to being Irish Internationals they give their all and represent Ireland with pride, commitment and passion.
And without meaning to nit pick I said ideal world, not perfect world.
I do accept your point though, the Irish team should never be seen as exclusive to Irish born players
I get your point fella, he does have that cockney wideboy apples & pears air about him but so did/does Townesend, and he was one of our best ever converts!Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
Connolly was in underage squads before, although I don't think he ever played for us, and then changed his allegiances to England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
did some searching and I've posted on this before:
The RTE link still works, but the thefa.com link is no longer workingQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
The rules are a bit confusing, but these players won't be tied to England until they are capped in a competitive international. So, they'll have to go to the World Cup and play, and I don't think Capello is going to go to those lengths to tie a couple of fringe players to the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
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Originally Posted by Serb
I stand corrected but I think a senior cap of any description debars them from switching. It was raised when the FIFA rule was changed earlier this year.
Any chance the winger hes refering to is Andy Reid???;)
Not to mention the importance of a real desire to play for us. Take for example Liam Lawrence, only recently on the scene for us, has performed very well and seems very dedicated to the cause, no compliants there whatsoever. Unlike a certain A O'Brien for example althou I do accept he took a large % of the flack for the Cyprus performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
The fickle side of me thinks that many players who have eligibility on the fringes will now be more interested in declaring for Ireland as a result of our recent success and high profile. High profile/success = same for the individuals involved.
But K Nolan, no thanks, as far as im aware there was no interest when approached in the past, irrespective of his eligibility, therefore I dont think we should go and knock on that door again.
As for having a team of 11 Irish born players, with the more away trips I go on, I appreciate how wide reaching the Irish diaspora is and how much it means to lads born in the UK and elsewhere. Prouder Irishmen than the born Irishmen themselves.
Is that mark noble you're on about at west ham? he'd be a serious player for us
Where did the famous Lewis Emanuel and Lee Frecklington ever go to? Staunton and Devlin put some awful rubbish in the Senior and B squads in the 18 months they had.
The B squad is something that really should be utilised to the full over the next few months. Give Brady and an underling complete control of it.
It is vital that the positions we were short in this campaign are scoped out entirely in the 9 months till qualifying.
I don't care if it means calling up 30 players for each friendly, but we need to be thorough. It wasn't great that Gibson came off the bench in Paris with next to nothing in senior football this season. The real squad players, Brian Murphy, Andy Keogh, Noel Hunt, Kevin Foley et al need games to prove themselves. A B squad (or futura squad similar to scotland 6/7 yrs ago) would provide this outlet. Bring the best of the LOI into the fold if necessary to give them a shot. Some deserve it.
Frecklignton is doing well at Peterborough, scored a cracker earlier this season. Doubt he'll be near our senior team soon but then again, look at Stephen Hunt and how he came to the top.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNiro
Saw Emanuel in that B game and was rather impressed. Tidy on the ball and bags of energy getting up and down the wing. He's a bit short though. No idea where he is now. He was at Luton, wasn't he?
As Oscar Wilde once said, there's only one thing worse than being talked about... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
:ball: PP
For what its worth, O'Hara has played very well for Pompey against United today.
give him some credit he is one hell opf a hard worker he always runs himself into the ground for the cause every team needs as many them type of players as possible i'd have no problem with jamie playing for usQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
About B internationals, now that Murphy has left I can't think of a player that has a stake for a claim in the team like Murphy and Fahey(who seems to have dissapeared now) did for so long
Cretaro maby, his goalscoring rate is phenominal this season but I don't think he offers anything that we don't already have.
Powell at left back maby? I'm still not sure. He's good going forward and all but....defensively against the big teams in the group he would be destroyed.
have agree Stan and squad picking were not his best traits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yard of Pace
Quite possibly, Trapattoni namechecked Powell as someone he would be keeping an eye on after he attended a Bohs gameQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
haha Lewis Emanuel - remember him from his days at Bradford City. Not, repeat NOT international standard.
wudnt really rate o hara or nolan to be honest. if it is kyle naughton you are referring to then he is a lot better than any other young players we have in that position but i doubt hed declare for us
Probably not but he was decent in that B game against Scotland nontheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by magnumpi
Just found this now, its a bit old but said I would post it anyway. Its the wording that gets me
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/spor...NGLISHMEN.html
Portsmouth midfielder O'Hara, on loan from Tottenham, is pretty much guaranteed to come on board after playing for England Under-21s two years ago.
O'Hara, 22, seems likeliest to come on board, having realised his chances of playing for the England senior team are slim. His versatility as a left-back or winger would be crucial to the cause.
Similarly, Nolan is keen to switch allegiance after playing for the English Under-20 side way back in 1998. Naughton, though, is still undecided about his future.
I heard on the Radio over the weekend that as of now, Nolan is inelligable. However one of his parents is elligable for dual Nationality, and if they apply for it, Nolan will be able to play... So I heard. If I tell a lie it's cos I was told a lie...
It was in the Sunday Times. Nolan's Great Grandmother was Irish, thus ruling him out. However they mentioned that if his mother takes out the option of the passport he'll be in again.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
I thought the parent had to be an Irish citizen before their child was born to pass it to them. Also, wouldn't Nolan have to live in Ireland for two years to be eligible?
It shows you just how much it has concerned him if he hasn't even bothered sorting out that detail of his mother's dual nationality.
Yeah I didn't feel particularily good reading it I have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Doesn't seem likely given that he was previously named in and traveled over for at least one underage game under Kerr before refusing to play as he decided not to commit. Surely his eligibility would have been sorted out then.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
http://www.kickinmagazine.ie/kevinnolan31102000.htm
One of the parents or grandparents would have to be born in the FAI's jurisdiction or the player has to fulfill residency requirements.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
Nolan shocker, he doesn't qualify - again!
Thank God.
Did a bit of digging:
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...d-1966187.html
Down at the bottom:
Meanwhile, newspaper reports yesterday suggested that Kevin Nolan may be looking to explore the possibility of putting himself in the fray for an Irish call-up by asking his grandmother to adopt Irish nationality, which would make him eligible for a call-up from Trapattoni.
Anyone have a link to the times article?
Waste of time for the FAI if his grandmother has not been born in the territory of the FAI.
England would appear to be quite clearly the territory of the FAI... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir