Dave Rogers Sacked

Ezekial, using your logic means that Fabio should have been sacked for stupidly getting sent off.
Rogers dropping his togs is either acceptable or not. You're basically saying that on a different occasion your board would not have sacked him for doing what he did.:eek: Tell that to the PFAI

I'm getting dizzy reading your posts, there are so many circles you are talking in. You are so deep in the hole that digging yourself a little bit deeper will see you surface in Australia.

Nice to have a pop at the Drogs as well, when it happens yourselves, we'll give you some advice.

And Micls - its actually yiz up here :D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...lebration.html

None of these players got immediately sacked without notification - just fines and (in some rare cases) 1 or 2 game suspensions by the FA.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I don't want to get into semantics with you,

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The ironing is delicious...

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Originally Posted by disabledrog

Oh so its ok for kids to see all the scumbag dundalk fans causing hassel after the matches home and away,lets be honest he showed a bit of his jocks end of ,its a money saving job by dundalk

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I distinctly remmebr two weeks ago in Utd park we had to be taken across the pitch and let out the home side as aload of scummers went up the road where the away fans entre and exit and wouldnt move!Wana expalin that side of the scumbag element disabledrog or are ye still gloating that ye are little saints up DOWN there in that dump.

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Did he whip his slogan-emblazoned sporty y-fronts down to reveal the crack of his arse? Was he flashing said arsehole at opposition fans? Was he sent off for doing so (was he even booked)? Have Burnley had four sendings off in their last four games? Were Burnley promoted to the League of Ireland? If the answer is yes to any of the above, I can see how your post is relative to Dave Rogers' sacking.

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so what is your issue with dave rogers then .. is it because he showed a bit of his arse cheeks :confused: or do you not like the man.. so how is blake mooning not relative to rogers mooning and i only answered a post were the question asked does this happen in other domestic leagues.. it has happened numerous times in the uk :D

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...lebration.html

None of these players got immediately sacked without notification - just fines and (in some rare cases) 1 or 2 game suspensions by the FA.

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Good find.

I don't think Dundalk stand a chance on this one. Sure, it was offensive (though not offensive enough to stop MNS showing it three times, and once in slow motion). A hefty suspension and fine would have sent out the message adequately. A straight sacking for a single indiscretion is at best bloody-minded, at worst opportunistic.

Has Rogers got a young family? What else is he going to do?

Shouldn't he have thought about that before doing something so outrageously stupid?

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Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Has Rogers got a young family? What else is he going to do?

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Presumably keep his pants on

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Originally Posted by oriel

What about the children at the game ? Was it right for them to witness this ? I think it sends out a clear message to the rest of the squad and I support the decision.

Besides, didnt pats sack a player last year for being too fat !

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They did but lost the case in the long run;)

it was settled out of court. He got €60k in the end

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Originally Posted by old git

so what is your issue with dave rogers then .. is it because he showed a bit of his arse cheeks :confused: or do you not like the man.. so how is blake mooning not relative to rogers mooning and i only answered a post were the question asked does this happen in other domestic leagues.. it has happened numerous times in the uk :D

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As it happens, I was a huge fan of Rogers, he was without doubt one of our best players this season. Okay, he's a badgekisser, but unlike most other journeymen badgekissers who've played at Dundalk, he always gave 100%. My initial response when I heard Rogers was sacked -- on the back of our seventh red card this season (and Mickey Collins hasn't played a game yet [!]) -- was that he deserved to be fired for his stupidity alone. But I don't think he would have been sacked had he mooned and been booked; he probably would have been fined and perhaps suspended. And for that reason, I don't think he should have been sacked. I can see why the board was quick to act (even if I don't agree with the severity of the punishment), given our disciplinary record this season and the likely ridicule and condemmnation the club would have faced in the press (and elsewhere) this week had they not dealt with Rogers' actions sufficiently, unfortunately that has backfired. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The circumstances of Blake's (half) and Rogers' (full) mooning were completely different, that was my point.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

it was settled out of court. He got €60k in the end

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Yes so Pats lost.

I love the fact that one of the main points made on MNS was that young kids might have seen it.

Then they go and replay it several time, at 8pm, during a show where young kids might easily be watching.

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Yes so Pats lost.

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No, that was about 15 weeks wages, and we got rid of the fat fool

So, Pats won

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Originally Posted by Dodge

No, that was about 15 weeks wages, and we got rid of the fat fool

So, Pats won

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Good man;)

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...lebration.html

None of these players got immediately sacked without notification - just fines and (in some rare cases) 1 or 2 game suspensions by the FA.

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These cases are not comparable. None of these players got themselves sent off. Now obviously getting yourself sent off stupidly is not a sacking offence, or Declan O'Brien could go for kicking the ball away twice in 5 minutes a couple of weeks ago, but it could and should be a disciplinary issue.

Celdrogs says "You're basically saying that on a different occasion your board would not have sacked him for doing what he did." Yes, of course the occasion is relevant. The fact that Rogers' actions may well have affected Dundalk's league position at the end of the season is surely a relevant criterion when determined gross misconduct. In non-football terms he has damaged his employers image (no mean feat this season) and he has potentially done immense financial damage to his employer (if Dundalk go down).

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

This is the only public statement to date. I doubt very much if the clubs position will be that it would have acted differently if it were "another time" Do you?????

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I have no idea, I dont know much about your club or board. But you obviously do think things would be different, and if you are right then your board are on shaky ground.

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

Rogers dropping his togs is either acceptable or not. You're basically saying that on a different occasion your board would not have sacked him for doing what he did.:eek: Tell that to the PFAI

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I don't know what the board would do in a different hypothetical situation.

But I doubt if he would have been sacked if it was a post match "celebration" after clinching promotion, league title etc. My personal view is that "dropping his togs" is unacceptable, but the consequences (especially for his team and club) of doing it in the middle of a vital match verus post match celebration are obviously very different.

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

Ezekial, using your logic means that Fabio should have been sacked for stupidly getting sent off.

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I would certainly be in favour of him being fined for his indiscipline. Similarly standard clubs fines for bookings for dissent are entirely appropriate (as at Galway under Ian Foster?)

If such a regime had been installed by the manager at the start of the season, Dundalk's record of indiscipline would surely have been very different this season

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Originally Posted by micls

I have no idea, I dont know much about your club or board. But you obviously do think things would be different, and if you are right then your board are on shaky ground.

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micls - I doubt if my views or observations will be in any way relevant in Arbitration or Unfair Dismissals hearing!

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

Nice to have a pop at the Drogs as well, when it happens yourselves, we'll give you some advice.

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if you guys are availble for dispensing financial advise maybe you should set up an organisation for it; suggest that you call it Drogheda Financial Advice & Rectitude Consultants & Examiners or Drog F.A.R.C.E.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

if you guys are availble for dispensing financial advise maybe you should set up an organisation for it; suggest that you call it Drogheda Financial Advice & Rectitude Colsultants & Examiners or Drog F.A.R.C.E.

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Been saving that one up, have you?

Saving in the LOI? That would be a new one!

SPEND, BABY!

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Dave Rogers:
"No-one from the club has ever sought my version of events, given me an opportunity to state my case or even had the courtesy to personally inform me of my dismissal."

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

Disgraceful if true.

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

...Instant Dismissal without telling the bloke first, possible burning at the stake or stoning

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...lebration.html

None of these players got immediately sacked without notification

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Gerry Matthews, Dundalk FC owner and CEO has flatly rejected Dave Rogers' claim that he was not informed personally of his dismissal. From this weeks Dundalk Democrat:

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Speaking to the Dundalk Democrat on Tuesday, Matthews said that the club had followed the correct procedure in dismissing Rogers and that they stood by their decision 100%.

"The first thing I want to set straight is that Dave Rogers was contacted by his manager to inform him of his dismissal, so there is a fundamental flaw already in his statement"

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Gerry Matthews, Dundalk FC owner and CEO has flatly rejected Dave Rogers' claim that he was not informed personally of his dismissal. From this weeks Dundalk Democrat:

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Who wrote the press release, CORI? Of course he has been officially told of his dismissal now, its the fact that due process wasn`t followed, (allegedly, )that will ensure a pay day for the unlovable Merseyside Mooner

It'll be good practise for them when they have to go through the same process in court when they get rid of Connor in about 4 years

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

It'll be good practise for them when they have to go through the same process in court when they get rid of Connor in about 4 years

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4 years? FOUR YEARS?! We'll be playing games with 8 men in the Dundalk Summer League if he's still in charge at that stage! :(

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

....when they get rid of Connor in about 4 years

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I think you have completely lost it!

future tabloid heading after Rogers wins his case (probably sun, always have the best ones)

Rogers over the moon!

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Originally Posted by SkStu

future tabloid heading after Rogers wins his case (probably sun, always have the best ones)

Rogers over the moon!

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And if he loses it'll just read

"@rsehole"

Rogers gets bum deal?

"Footballer at Rock Bottom Despite Rearguard Action"

..or how about

"Stupid Scouse Tosser"

Rogers: "Behaviour was a flash in the pan(ts)"

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I think you have completely lost it!

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Wow - what a superb and well-reasoned addition to this debate - I take my imaginary hat off to you sir for such an outstanding well-made point

Looks like Dave Rogers may be joining Jim Brown at Lisburn Distillery (Lisburn manager Jim Brown was Technical Advisor at Oriel Park earlier this season before his recent appointment at Lisburn Distillery)


http://blue.srv2.com/~lisburn/news%2...10.html#dunstj

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Also hoping to join Lisburn Distillery is Liverpool-born defender Dave Rogers. Dave is no stranger to football on these shores, having won three League of Ireland titles with Shelbourne. He has also played in the Football League, Scotland and Holland.He hopes to join the Whites’ from Dundalk and when released his clearance is expected to be processed in July once the League of Ireland transfer window opens.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

if you guys are availble for dispensing financial advise maybe you should set up an organisation for it; suggest that you call it Drogheda Financial Advice & Rectitude Consultants & Examiners or Drog F.A.R.C.E.

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did you have to lie down in a dark room with the excitement of thinking up that gem:eek:

Word coming out of Oriel Park is that Stephen McGuinness wrote to every 1 of the Dundalk 1st team squad asking them to write to him and confirm that they are dissilushioned with the treatment of Rogers and that they are not happy with the current set up at Oriel park, he didnt get one response as according to a very good inside source, Rogers and another un-nmaed player are causing disruption at times during training sessions. McGuinness is a cheeky c!@t and deserves a slap, he has got it in for Dundalk FC ever since he took over that job of his and is always looking for an excuse to milk money out of us.

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Originally Posted by stamullendrog

did you have to lie down in a dark room with the excitement of thinking up that gem:eek:

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Sitting in a shady corner of that darkened room waiting for him think that up would be more entertaining than watching Drawda.

McGuinness does not have it in for Dundalk. He works for his members.

nearly as aparanoid as the Corkies who think he has it in for them too

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Originally Posted by Dodge

McGuinness does not have it in for Dundalk. He works for his members.

nearly as aparanoid as the Corkies who think he has it in for them too

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What did he do for Keane when ye sacked him for being too fat?nothing cause he loves his beloved "Dublin" clubs.

By the way, if Rogers joins Lisburn he gets squat from Dundalk FC as he is waiving his right to fight this out and get full loss of earnings, similar to what Fabio did before he joined us, he waited and waited until he milked "Drawda" dry! Rogers is very close to joining Lisburn accorinding to them so something suggests that he believes he doesnt stand much of a case.