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Well, it would be better if Montenegro came last because if its Cyprus or Georgia we drop 6 points. Its likely to be Georgia though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Anyway, with the way other results have gone it looks like it won't matter. If we finish second we'll almost certainly be in the playoffs. Bulgaria are our biggest threat in that regard now.
indeed... now, as long as bulgaria don't beat italy, we're fine for second hopefullyQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Nothing to do with best second place, but how have tonight's results affected tables. BBC hasn't updated.
Portugal's late equaliser prob not good enough because of Sweden's late winner? (How many times in the past have I wished Ireland could just be as good as SWE and DEN in qualifying.They're my heroes - Ijust love Scandinavia and I've only ever been to Copenhagen airport!).
Norn Iron: Good draw and draw in other game a good result?
Here you go Stutt's:
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/prelimi...ngs/index.html
Group 1 is far from finished. Portugal have two must win games against Hungary but Sweden must be favourites for 2nd spot now. It's looking like France will finish second after slipping up against Romania. That is one side I wouldn't want to meet in the qualifiers.
Excellent result for Norn Iron. Potential qualifier opponents!
I think Scotland/Norways results on Wed night are of great interest to us, it will set a benchmark of the points we need to guarantee a playoff spot. (their group finishes on wed)
Scotland have 10 points at present, Norway have 7.
Norway have to play macedonia at home so expect them to finish with ten.
Scotland are at home to Holland. Holland are already qualified so will probably field a weakened team. Anything other than a Scotland win would be a good result for us. For the purposes of the playoffs we have a min of ten points, so a loss/draw for the Scots would mean our group is pretty much guaranteed a playoff.
Interesting Elroy.........looks like we have to root against the Tartan Army. If you recall after the last game the nutter with the putter said Scotland have no chance....I havent been keeping up but i guess things changed?
Iceland did their bit to scuttle any hope of Norway.
A 1-1 draw with Eidur Gudjonsson lording the game.
Pity Norway can't be a play off opponent, an astonishing negative team,
they could not muster anything better than mere holding on for the draw in the second half.
1 more win will take us ahead of the 2nd placed team in group 3 almost certainly. I want Scotland to qualify so I hope we both win on Wednesday. If we do we're definitely safe (as long as we finish ahead of Bulgaria that is) and Scotland should be.
Here is another updated version of the second place table. Its a bit hard to follow but this one includes all the teams that still have a decent chance of finishing second. The group number down the left is probably the most notable thing at this stage. 8 of the bottom nine teams on the list are from Groups 1, 3 and 9 and the other team (Israel) is unlikely to come second in Group 2. So the lowest second place team will almost certainly come from Group 1, 3 or 9.
2nd Place Table September 6th
G TEAM P W D L GF GA GD PTS
7 Serbia---- 5 4 0 1 11 5 +6 13
4 Germany-- 5 4 1 0 10 4 +6 13
4 Russia---- 5 4 0 1 11 3 +8 12
1 Denmark-- 5 3 2 0 8 3 +5 11
8 Italy------ 5 3 2 0 7 3 +4 11
6 Croatia---- 6 3 2 1 10 7 +3 11
6 Ukraine---- 6 3 2 1 9 6 +3 11
7 France---- 6 3 2 1 8 7 +1 11
8 Bulgaria--- 6 2 4 0 10 5 +5 10
2 Latvia----- 6 3 1 2 9 5 +4 10
2 Switzerland 5 3 1 1 9 6 +3 10
2 Greece---- 6 3 1 2 9 6 +3 10
3 Slovakia--- 5 3 1 1 9 7 +2 10
8 Ireland---- 6 2 4 0 6 4 +2 10
9 Scotland-- 7 3 1 3 6 10 -4 10
5 Bosnia----- 5 3 0 2 14 6 +8 9
1 Sweden--- 6 2 3 1 4 3 +1 9
5 Turkey---- 6 2 2 2 8 7 +1 8
3 Slovenia--- 6 2 2 2 5 4 +1 8
3 N. Ireland-- 6 2 2 2 6 7 -1 8
9 Norway---- 7 1 4 2 7 6 +1 7
1 Hungary--- 5 2 1 2 5 4 +1 7
1 Portugal--- 6 1 4 1 5 5 0 7
9 Macedonia- 7 2 1 4 4 9 -5 7
2 Israel------ 6 1 3 2 8 8 0 6
3 Czech------ 6 1 3 2 5 6 -1 6
3 Poland----- 5 1 2 2 7 8 -1 5
So pretty much every country in Europe have a chance to finish second? Good work, Gambler!;)
Those tables are useless to me. Just go through the groups and fixtures. The 2nd placed teams in group 3 won't finish on more than 18 imo.
Yep, pretty much! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
This link does it for me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FI..._qualification
Scotlands last game is on Wed but of course we don't play 'til next monthQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
If we get 13 points
have Scotland a chance with a max of 13 points compared to the other groups?
So currently the 9 2nd place teams are as follows:
Russia
Croatia
France
Greece
Ireland
Scotland
Bosnia & H.
the north
Hungary
Russia, Croatia and France would cause some serious problems, other than that I would hope we would have a 50/50 chance of winning the play off against the remaining teams.
Will Modric be back for Croatia for the play offs? he would be a huge loss to them if so.
Scotland have a -4 GD so if other teams finish on 13 (after you take away results against bottom placed team) then Scotland will miss out IMO.
If France, Germany/Russia, Croatia and Greece all finish second then I wouldn't be surprised if FIFA have a seeded draw based on FIFA rankings. We'd be then playing one of the big boys over two legs.
Look at the draw for the playoffs for WC06.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Very suspicious indeed.
Sorry, late one last night. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I don't think the 2nd placed team in N.Ireland's group will be on more than 18 (12 if you take away the 6). That's just my prediction and I haven't even looked at other groups since yesterday afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I'm scared. I've kept checking the FIFA website these last 18 months to see if they would ever beef up the details on the draw for those teams that finish second but nothing has changed. It should be an open draw. If France have to play Croatia/Germany/Russia then so be it!Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Will Scotland beat Holland? Even a reserve Dutch side should have more than enough class to ensure they get a point. I know they have nothing riding on it but the squad players will be playing for a plane ticket to South Africa!.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
It's one of those nights. Individual ability goes out the window. If it's a draw with 10 minutes to go it'll be all Scotland imo.
scotland have no chance of beating holland, played some good football yesterday though
And they say that football is for the unsophisticated man/woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
I do beleive Ireland could top the group, with Bulgaria second and Italy third and so fail to qualify!:ball:
I think after last nights result if we get at worst 3 points in either last two games we be safe to go through as top 8 second seed.
But Im more hopeful we can top this group. We need little bit luck from Italy to drop points lets hope they will on Wednesday night now
France are favourites for a 2nd place place spot and struggling with a bout of Saipanitis.
Dominech - agitation dans le camp
Serbia 4 points clear, play them at home tonight and are generously rated at 2/1 to win.
Theres almost a very very small part of me that hopes we finish 2nd and get Northern Ireland in the playoffs.... just so we can knock them out:)
there isnt an easy 2nd place game that we could get in the qualifiers really. bloody lottery, we can still top our group with a few favourable results.
A real dream scenario....but i think draw will be rigged so that so called bigger nations get drawn with "weaker ones" like ourselves and Norn IrnQuote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Five teams are already red hot favoured for a play off place.
Sweden, Greece, France, Ireland and Bosnia.
Croatia could do with a point tonight, otherwise - Ukraine
Russia /Germany, tonight Russia must win to avoid play off
Czech Rep, 3 home games including SM, if they beat Poland at home, derr dare.
I'd have them slight favorites to finish second with 18 effectively 12 points. But they've been below par so far, only one win in six sgnificant games including a home defeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I don't fancy us in a play off against the north. I just don't. Dunno if they'd even win a leg but I could easily envisage a scoreless draw in Belfast and a 1-1 in Dublin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
No thanks. I'd rather avoid them ...and that's without much consideration to the utter, utter langballs from both sides that'd seep through the floor.
Agreed on yr second point, LR. Though it pains me of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
You're capable of beating any of the likely play off candidates, relax.
play off are a lottery. i wouldnt like the north for the crowd / atmosphere / tension it would create. take away from the whole occasion. on a footballing side we would win i think. couldnt see them coming to croker and getting anything, equally i couldnt not see us score a few against them.
They are slight favourites to finish second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Reason for that is that it's in their own hands.
3 home games
On reports of recent form, they played well against Slovakia away.
Poland looked like powder puff against NI
We're agreed they're slight favorite. It's not "in their own hands"- their 18 points would only in itself eliminate NI and Poland (both 17 maximum), but not Slovenia who can still make 20 by beating Poland, Slovakia and SMR.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
They're a lottery, but who knows? We scored three against Poland, you none against Montenegro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
Not at all, shur they're still 0-0 with San Marino after 15mins!! Stan was right about em being a handful:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
From a purely playoff spot perspective, here is what we are hoping for tonight:
Group1:
Hungary/Portugal draw
Malta draw/beat Sweden
Group2:
Greece draw/lose to Moldova
Latvia/Swiss draw or Swiss win
Group3:
Slovakia/NI draw
Slovenia/Poland draw
Group4:
Russia lose to Wales
Group5:
Bosnia/Turkey draw or Turkey win (huge game in this group)
Group6:
Croatia lose/draw with England
Ukraine lose/draw with Belarus
Group7:
France lose to Serbia
Group9:
Scots lose to Holland
So is this settled after tonight?..... All games appear to be over in group 9 and the total is 10 points, we also have a better goal difference(unless we lose our last two)