chimbonda played with wiganQuote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
malbranque played with fulham.
think sunderland are a bigger club then the hammers so can't see your argument in ferdinand's case
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chimbonda played with wiganQuote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
malbranque played with fulham.
think sunderland are a bigger club then the hammers so can't see your argument in ferdinand's case
the hard man is not the fellow who give's the dirty tackle and injures a player.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
the hard man,IMO,is the c/forward who is getting "jots" kicked out of him all day by these.so called hard men,dusts himself off each time,and scores a goal to sicken 'em
Precisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzer
i'd guess none...but neither has keane...suspended remember??Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian
oh fair enough then, i forgot about keanes reputation for rolling around faking injury during a match :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
TBH apart from the goalie I couldn't see many of them getting a game for Paul Cook at Rovers. I tihnk Keane went into management too early and tried signing a lot of people he knew , he would of been better off having a break and identifying potential targets for when he started his management career which is what i think shearer is doing at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axe Man
Another theory is that he got his revenge on Quinn for Saipan by wasting 70m of his and his mates money on players with very little resale value.
If you got deliberately kicked from behind and you turned around and saw the perpetrator rolling around the ground what would be your instant reaction? Twas in the heat of the moment and it was an instant and understandable reaction from Haaland. As I said, if Big Hard Roy was that put out, why didn't he have it out man to man with Haaland instead of what he did?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Keane has also been known to feign injury when it came to international friendly weeks so he's hardly whiter than white in that respect anyway. :rolleyes:
3 threads merged...
OK then Premer League Medals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzer
and he does have champions league medal by way he just did not receive it on night of final
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Do you honestly think it was out of order for Haaland to have a go at Keane in the heat of the moment having just been booted up in the air by him when the ball was running out of play? Keane was a coward that day (head wrecked because man u were losing to Leeds so lashes out for no reason letting his team mates down on the day and missing a season as a result) and a coward when he took his 'revenge'. Had Haaland done Keane's cruciate in a tackle or by kicking him then there may have been some mitigation but the fact that Keane held a grudge purely for injuring himself and is defended for it by his legion of blind followers is shameful. It's like deliberately driving into a wall and blaming the wall or whoever built it for any injuries you suffer.
Well said Barney.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
It took an American guy to come in and sort it out at Sunderland. All these Drumaville wallies tiptoeing around Keane , afraid to challenge him on anything.
It was like some rich parent not wanting to challenge their errant child who swans around the place wasting their money like there's no tomorrow.
Meanwhile his ego is massaged by his bosses and the misguided masses who flock to North East from Ireland to pay him homage, blissfully unaware of the sinking ship that is Sunderland FC.
Just in case anyone is in any doubt about what a piece of filth Keane is, have a look at this clip. There's the original tackle and Keane's revenge. You'll notice Haaland looks like he just let rip with a very short comment and you could understand it given what was a stupid, cowardly Keane tackle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuxKrnTP-k
I think that says it all , as if we did'nt know already.Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
Between those two incidents and Saipan there is plenty of evidence that Roy Keane is a flawed character and is a guy with such a flawed character suitable to be a football manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
Certainly none of us can take away from him that he was a great player.
Maybe its because of these flaws that some players become great as individual players.
Keane will have to question wheter he has the ability to get the best out of other people.It is a completely different gift that that needed to be a great individual player.
did not accept the medal hib's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian
agree he was a great player....but nasty selfserving"who but me " person.
the list goes on...what he said to mccarthy was racist.
supposing richardson said something similar to him,what would his reaction have been to that in his capacity as a manager...he was always a bitter person..to many incidents to list here..great player,not in the same league as the all time greats,the exact opposite as a public person(cannot comment as to what he is like in his private life)....just glad i don't have to listen to him,or about him,anymore
But equally glad of the chance to post repeatedly about him on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzer
Unbelievable isn't it? I reckon the exact same stuff was posted in 2002, and every years since whenever Keane did anything of note.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I certainly can't be descibed as a fan of the man, but jesus, some people just need to move on.
that's what this is about...posting opinions is it not????Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
you may disagree with mine...opinions are never right,by definition,but i am entitled,as you are,to them...............
Please please please tell me you spotted that I was joking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian
no it wasn't - cause he never said THAT -:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzzer
tabloids ahead of themselves
Well said Bennocelt, a man whose wife and kids have all been born in ENgland just like McCarthy, it does not stand up to me and even if he did say it, I would not judge him on it as clearly he does not believe it and carry it out in his day to day life. Things can be said in the heat of a moment (by the way not saying he said it).
your were a s**t playerQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
your a S**t manager your not even f***in' irish,for F***K's sake
exactly what he said...roll eye's away!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Dodge
These are not flaws, just downright thuggish behaviour. I have to laugh at all you guys trying to cover up these actions and explain them away as the acts of an imperfect person.
No. These are the actions of someone who can give it but cant take it. A person who when he cant live up to his supposed good name , decides that running away is easier than facing the challenge head on.
The foul on Haaland says it all.
That will be the enduring image.
It encapsulates the whole sorry saga.
Funny I thought we were discussing the merits or lack thereof of him as a manager not as a playerQuote:
Originally Posted by smasher
You may not like him , but I don't see why Saipan and Haaland have to be brought up in every discussion about him
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
People cant just move on in this argument always going back to the same thing.
I have so much admiration for Keane as player.
As a Manager? Quite simply he was not good enough but I just hate this ranting on about something that is now well in the past.
Well said Gustavo. As Owlsfan said earlier in the thread-Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
I also think it is interesting that the same people who say "he's such a crap manager - look at all the money he has wasted, he's gonna relegate Sunderland" are now saying "if he was a real manager he'd stay and see it all through".Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
This doesn't make sense to me. I think Keane has come to realise he has made big mistakes, and is worried that if he continued, Sunderland would be relegated. So he has quit in order that Sunderland might turn things around under another, better manager.
Rather than simply walking away from a mess he has created, I think he hopes somebody better than him will be able to do what he has lost confidence in himself to do and sort the mess out.
Yes he did go OTT in saipan but I think we need to move on from that discussion just what I think, but understand your pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Buzzer
a bit like "big Ron"...i didn't know the mike was on.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
if i did i would not have said it!!!!
yeah that's not racist...as long as no one hears
Because they expose the weaknesses of Keane the person. Because they are part of a pattern of cowardice and weak mindedness that have peppered the public life of Roy Keane over the last decade and a half. The latest bottling act just confirms what Keane is. It's all relevant when discussing him as a manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
fair enough...no bother hibQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernian
Feck - apologies for balls up there - Allardyce is one of the early favourites for the Sunderland job.Quote:
Originally Posted by noby
That said, some of Allardyce's dealings in the past have involved "seeing a man about a dog".
How many clubs (and their fans) would like to have Keane as their manager even after what has happened recently at Sunderland? I would bet lots despite what some ex-players (like Cascarino) are saying.
I'd say any other club wanting to get into the oirish market will be mad after him
Roy Keane:
Great footballer
Questionable Manager
S**te Person
Would agree with that. I'd have him as Pats manager though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
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Originally Posted by barney
Are you off your head. Haaland was trying to body check Keane thats why he lost it had a swipe. :mad:
Standing over an opponent and calling him a cheat as the player is obviously in agony is so cowardly it's not even funny.
Was Keane going to get up and fend for himself in that state I think not....
I wonder why Nigel Martyn ran straight over calling on the Physio??? Then you notice Beckham having words with Haaland.
Lets not forget that there is two sides to every story. Haaland was a master of the good fouls as I call them. Pulling jerseys, Clipping ankles, body checking opponents etc he had nothing else to offer a game cause he was crap otherwise.
I don't particularly like Roy Keane the manager too many opinions. But I loved Roy Keane the player. He did what no other player with his level of ability ever did and thats make it to the top on attitude and fight and determination because he never was a man who could beat three men and smack it in top cover did the simple things right.
Roy Maurice Keane: My True Story*
Stand up. Mirror. Staring. Can I do it? A moment...NO. I'm ready. Get the dog lead. Get the wallet. Focus.
"Will you be going to the shops or not then Roy?"
It's the wife. Hands me the shopping list. On a post-it. Yellow. Like a card. Not red. Going for the ball.
"I'm not going to those f****** amateurs in Tesco again," I tell her. "Do you think Felipe Scolari's doing his shopping pushing a trolley with a busted wheel?"
I'm angry now, running it back in my mind...last time, the trolley, the big stack of baked beans half price, the wobbly wheel, children crying, losing control. Beans.
I'm sitting on the floor in the hall. The wife's standing there. "Just get a pint of milk from the corner then, love, " she says.
I get up. She comes at me. I kiss her, hard. On the cheek. The cheek was there (I think). "Take that," I think to myself.
"Take what?" she asks. I go out of the house.
Corner shop. Corner. Defend it. Zonal. I TOLD YOU TO PICK HIM UP - THAT WAS YOUR MAN.
Milk. Milk. Focus on the milk.
"Morning Roy." It's Mr Patel.
"You're a f****** crap newsagent and you're a f****** crap person," I say.
"Okay," he says.
I turn and look for the milk. Stuff, money, bag. Walking again. Blind man. Dog. Stick. Can't he see? Why can't he see? Can't he see that was offside? What is he doing?
I'm in the kitchen. Wife's unpacking the shopping. She's not happy. Teacups?
No. Shaking head.
"What's all this stuff, Roy?"
I don't understand. Stare.
"Roy. I've asked you out for a pint of milk. You've come back with four packets of rubber gloves, a Sodastream - I didn't know they still made them - six biros, not one but two copies of New Scientist, a case of Doctor Pepper and 400 Silk Cut. You don't even smoke, Roy."
"No," I say.
"And how much have you spent? Turn out your pockets," she says.
Coins, notes, clank, receipt.
"Roy."
She's talking.
"Roy, you've spent 85 quid on rubbish. Absolute rubbish. What were you thinking? And where the hell's the milk?"
Focus. Got to focus. Keep looking straight ahead. Focus.
* Not with the ****** Dunphy
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Originally Posted by Axe Man
You are joking. Sweet mother of God.
Wasn't a body check at all, he was getting to the ball well ahead of Keane and barely touched him. Radebe had it covered anyway. Keane lashed out coz he had no hope of getting the ball.
Martyn saw the whole incident so knew that Keane was genuinely injured. Haaland just got a kick from behind, got up and saw the man that kicked him was rolling around. His instant, and very short reaction, was that Keane was staying down to avoid a booking. It's what most people would have assumed.
Take off the blinkers.
likewiseQuote:
Originally Posted by barney
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Originally Posted by Axe Man
:D:D
Quite possibly the biggest pile of tripe I've ever read on this forum. Haaland was jockeying a ball out of play same as what happens countless times in every game of football at every level every week. If an opponenet kicked out evertime that happened in a game you'd end up with 2 keepers left on the pitch after 90 minutes. If you consider that body checking you've led a very sheltered life.......