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GAAS are to be commended for building their own stadium.
The government must hold their hands up for giving €140 million of our money to them and now are claiming poverty when trying to build the national stadium they promised. Particularly as €60 million of it was a bribe to keep Croke Park closed when the GAA were in financial trouble.
There is a separate issue with sectarianism within the GAA or most cirrectly propogated by a minority who are very influential.
Conor, I take you're failure to answer the points about the funding etc to mean that you accept that the FAI were screwed by the Government?
Fact: You called LoI fans bigots.Quote:
Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
Hey if LOI supporters are allowed brand all celtic fans as bigots I think its only fair that I be allow to point out some of your own shortcommings, even if its only to prove to you lot that you are infact only human and not perfect as indeed some of you seem to think!:rolleyes:
BTW I wont make personal insults against you as to be honest it seems like a childish exercise which Il leave in your more than capable hands!
Fact: I am a LoI fan.
:. You called me a bigot.
Simple reasoning? I'm sorry if you can't follow it.
BTW, I've never, ever called, or even regarded Celtic fans bigots, and I don't like it when other fans make generalisations. You, on the other hand, seem to love making generalisations.
No, that was the definiton of "farmer", "publican" and "FF local councillor".Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
As for government funding, I think I made the observation about the "always looking for a handout and whinging" mentality in some other thread - search for my definition of a "pinko"... ;) :D
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Originally posted by Conor74
Ah, patsh...FF Councillors, farmers, publicans - all three occupy a special place in my heart, though if there was a burning building scenario I think I'd rescue the publican first!!!
Rescue one and you've probably rescued them all. Me? I'd let it burn;)
Possible, but I think it's hard for you to argue this case.....Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Not at all. On the contrary, I was merely trying to avoid the whole "let's blame FF" argument which will go around in circles. We will start disagreeing, and end no closer to accepting the other's arguments...but we'll enjoy ourselves geting there!!!
Think you confusing the issues.... Delaney and Co only got involved when Bertie and Co said there would be no funding for eP and the promise of riches from Stadium Ireland...Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
For what it's worth, I'm happy with the judgement of those like John Delanay on the project. National stadium or none, the eircom League project was simply not viable.
Maybe not viable to build without funding, but then niether would Croke Park... The funding that the FAI were looking for was only a percentage of what the GAA get, and continue to get, for Croker... We could all see private companies falling over themselves to build stadium ireland when the Government pulled out - does that make it not viable either? The Government could have helped the FAI with their home, as they are saying they will now - however it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to go with eP than the current proposals on the table....Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Even you yourself acknowledge it with your observation that the government should have funded it, though I see you deem yourself qualified enough to give an opinion on the amount needed. Given that we were lied to about the project, I wouldn't be so confident about anything at all.
Actually just looking for parity with the GAA. Not whinging for funding, whinging for equality..... But if you're going to bring in pinko terms, we shouldn't be surprised that the working class sport is treated like the working class people by this right wing Government.... :pQuote:
Originally posted by Conor74
As for government funding, I think I made the observation about the "always looking for a handout and whinging" mentality in some other thread - search for my definition of a "pinko"... ;) :D
Nothing to say about my earlier post, Conor? ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Ah, patsh...FF Councillors, farmers, publicans - all three occupy a special place in my heart, though if there was a burning building scenario I think I'd rescue the publican first!!!
Yeah, I see what you mean now.;)Quote:
Originally posted by Macy
[Giving emigrants the vote] I think it would drag us back further into the civil war politics that we desperately need to get away with...
Seen an interesting thread starting at Cork GAA Forum for a National Stadium to be build in Cork
http://corkgaa.proboards21.com/index...792253&start=0
Not really, there was a simple question posed. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Plenty to say patsh, but if I say it the thread will continue in the following vein...
You/Macy "Bertie bad boy, FAI good"
followed by my response
Me "FAI bad, Bertie good boy"
then your response
You/Macy "Bertie bad boy, FAI good"
then my response
Me "FAI bad, Bertie good boy"
then your response
You/Macy "Bertie bad boy, FAI good"
then my response
Me "FAI bad, Bertie good boy"
and so on and so forth. I see a distinct pattern emerging..:D :D :D
At last, Conor admits that FF can't be trusted - that's all I wanted from you.... :DQuote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Planning a future on a politician's promise, notwithstanding Bertie's undeniable honesty and integrity (;) ) is simply not clever.
Shame there isn't a "nod" sign, in keeping with recent national stadium promising party policy:D :DQuote:
Originally posted by Conor74
No no, I put in a "wink" sign after
He's from Worcester really :)
No he isn't! He's from a lair in indo-china where he spends his days masterminding the theft of the secrets to International Rescue.;)Quote:
Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
He's from Worcester really :)
Welcome aboard...erm...Davros.:)
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Originally posted by davros
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OF COURSE WE SHOULD!As a life-long Ireland & Celtic fan,this is an ideal venue........all the clowns who witter about Sectarianism forget that 80000+ members of the Irish diaspora coverged on Seville with no problems,despite losing!
Why not Celtic park for big games-have more experience of these than the FAI,& there are plenty of Irish-friendly watering-holes across the city!Know a few rebel songs may have been sung in them over the years,but with recent events in the osc.,the atmosphere is much dissipated,exc.Huns'games!
Also the likely crowd @ Ireland games,inc.the suits,FG B*stards & Ole Ole brigade,are hardly prime recruiting fodder for most MOR parties,let alone the RA!We are mainly adults,& er,live in a 'democracy';so why not!
Finally whatever you say,Celtic always have & always will be an IRISH club;They are the only club in mainland Britain who fly the Tricolour,a'foreign'flag,over their ground(Hibs.are allowed,also?) & the massive amount of C.S.C's & Club shirts across the whole island of Ireland are testament to to this!I'm sure all those schoolkids,not even teenagers,wearing Celtic tops,are rampant Sectarian bigots!In fact,these days,across Dublin(a bastion of Republicanism(my home town!),you see more Hoops than some obscure team from NW eng.,whose fans are well known for reaing the Sun & watching Coronation St.!Re.song,Portugal'95?
Celtic are NOT an Irish club. They are a Scottish club, or some might say a British club.
If you want to support an Irish club you will find plenty of them in Ireland.
There is nothing wrong with supporting obscure "NW Eng" teams - at least they don't pretend to be Irish
There is nothing wrong with watching "Coronation Street" - at least it doesn't pretend to be Irish.
My local car hire firm flies a number of flags from the top of it's building including an American one. Obviously to please the tourists. However it does not make them American.
Someone should tell the hardline republicans flogging An Phoblacht on Dame St that wearing a Celtic shirt doesn't make you more Irish than the rest of us. And they are sectarian p r i c k s believe me.
Not questioning your credentials, Davros, but Dublin AND Louth:confused: I reckon you'd get massacred on the Hill if cheering both on at a doubleheader at Croker.Quote:
Originally posted by davros
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I'm not nlgbetc., as Davros suggests.
Dav thinks that
a) Celtic are an Irish club
b) this is self-evident
c) anyone suggesting otherwise must be either a moron or a unionist bigot
d) Ulster unionists are by definition bigots
e) opinions such as those offered by nlgbetc. or Conor put them in category c
f) thus quite likely they are me using a different name.
It's incoherent, convoluted nonsense of course- almost a paradody, you might say :)
NB Dav hasn't lived in the RoI since age two, nor in Glasgow at all. Nothing wrong with any of that, of course: but it may make his ranting just a little less, er, authoritative?
still b o l l o c k s mateQuote:
Originally posted by davros
mate/FB,You're clearly more ignorant than you even sound!Will credit you with the 'insight' that you have actually been to Parkhead?!Or to any Celtic games?
Celtic Are an Irish club based in Glasgow;ask the vast majority of people in the city-even H*ns & the island of Ireland wearing the Hoops(Incidentally last year,more Celtic shirts sold in Ireland,than for M*n U.,& certainly inc.the Puppet state!).Also,er,30000 Irish were in Seville-you muppet!
Would encourage the masses to support their local Lge.sides,exc.where obviously sectarian,in the osc!However,as most have minimal chances of reaching the CL,no harm in following the'de facto' Írish diaspora's club........
If you want to wallow in local Mancunian culture,more fool you...........the hordes from Surrey(Manc.diaspora?!)may be a tad offended?!Its TV profile mainly tries to be a paradody of itself!
Don't see many US tourists floating about in the wake of 9-11;the clued-up ones don't really worry pandering to their lowest basic instincts;That's addressed to Wubya & his morons!
As for Republican paper sellers,well,we live in a'democracy',don't we?Think about it![COLOR=seagreen]sea-green[/COLOR]
I am aware of all the statistics you spout
have been to matches involving Celtic - never Parkhead though
one particular occasion stands out - when they played St Pats in 1998 in Tolka - and getting called a hun/orange ******* by IRISH Celtic fans for supporting St Patrick's Athletic - who are an IRISH team, with 9 Irishmen in their starting eleven.
That kind of shi te is inexcusable. - and backs up my earlier statement about that while wearing a Celtic shirt doesn't make you more Irish than the rest of us nobody told those p r i c k s in Tolka that
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Originally posted by Conor74
I carry a photo of Brian Cowen in my wallet
Jesus Conor, you are one sick individual. You need help badly;)
You live in London and you rant about nationalsit aspirations. Have you joined the National Front then?;)Quote:
Originally posted by davros
...,who were supportive of our nationalistic aspirations,as I am of theirs;so not all bad,then!
And having been to Parkhead, I can say it's a Scottish club. Very proud to be scottish. Incredibly proud of the fact that it's European Cup winning team were all Scottish and all from within 15 (?) miles of the club. Strong links to local (Scottish) community.
The fact that a few thousand sectarian idiots support them, doesn't make them Irish.
In summary....Scottish, not Irish.