Langan on liveline

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Originally Posted by John83

For **** sake.

Ciaran hadn't heard of this guy. Neither had I, nor several other posters who've popped their heads into no man's land here. Those of you who hopped on him for it should be ashamed of yourselves. The fact that you all got so ****ed off at each other over this is absolutely pathetic.

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This thread reminds me once again that foot.ie only is representative of a small fraction of what Irish football is about.

I remember being with a bunch of UCD fans (all still post on here) at Richmond Park and they found out through the half-time programme questions that the Rep. of Ireland competed in the 1934 and 1938 World Cups. It's good they went to a football match, learnt a little bit more information.
Just at the time the same fans wanted the totally upheaval of Irish Football, still do I believe.

It's right to ask when you don't have information, it's impolite to swear and use abusive language while doing that.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

As previously posted its his initial post which ****ed people off, then when he goes on to begrudge others who want to help out.

From a quick search of threads you have started you're obviously a great EL fan, you'd probably be very ****ed off if someone got on to the site and started slaging off UCD and any fundraisng efforts their supporters wanted to get involved in.

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I understand why people got ****ed off at him, but I think he just lashed out because of the initial reaction - there's a post on the last page where he says he'd normally have been disinterestedly supportive of something like this but for how people had attacked him. I think a lot of people are just arguing because they're annoyed at each other, rather than over any real disagreement. Ultimately it's distracting from what would normally be a fairly sympathetic thread.

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Originally Posted by John83

I understand why people got ****ed off at him, but I think he just lashed out because of the initial reaction - there's a post on the last page where he says he'd normally have been disinterestedly supportive of something like this but for how people had attacked him. I think a lot of people are just arguing because they're annoyed at each other, rather than over any real disagreement. Ultimately it's distracting from what would normally be a fairly sympathetic thread.

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Read the thread, it was his first post (first reply on the thread) people had an issue with, it's degenerated since then fair enough but that's the nature of message boards.

Think the majority of people were annoyed with him due to his senseless begrudery rather than the fact he didnt know who Dave Langan was.

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

Look, it's not a case that Langan isn't a worthy cause, it's a case that he's a vocal worthy cause while others suffer quietly which isn't fair. The FAI don't owe him anything so it's not a case of an injustice here it's a similar case to wanting to help the poor out with 50 bucks, the right thing is to give it to an agency responsible and experienced in it, the wrong thing is to give it all to a homeless man on the street. That's how I feel about this.

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It's completely off topic, but I would personally feel the complete opposite way. I would much rather give a homeless guy 50 euro than give it to an agency. If spending it on drink/drugs is what he wants to do with it then so be it, I'd rather that than see 40 euro out of that 50 go on administrative costs for an agency.

ciaran, what if you found out paul mcgrath needed a liver transplant?! How would you react?!

I still understand where he is coming from though.

I have too say fair play to Mento and the lads at YBIG for pushing a game for Dave Langan, and have to say I am VERY saddened to see the way some have just slagged off the idea.

As someone who is old enough to remember Dave Langan playing for Ireland seeing i'm at the ancient age of 36, i've nothing but great memories of the guy, and what i'd give to see the same level of pride and commitment from todays crop of so called superstars we have playing for us in the same way Dave Langan gave.

Dave played such an important part in us getting to Euro 88, for those who don't remember him and that is not an issue if you don't, but when all the pludits where handed out after Euro88, Dave Langan never got any credit never mind the credit he deserved. One game sticks in my mind was when we played Belgium in 86, Dave Langan tore into them that night setting up Stapleton for a goal and helping win a penalty, against a team who just three months earlier finished third in the world cup.

Even if it is a game at somewhere like Tolka park, theres a lot of people by the looks of things would like to see Dave get his day in the sun and get a proper chance to say thank you for helping change our football fortunes.

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

You'd rather assist in someone self destructing than donate 10 bucks to charity? nice, man. :rolleyes:

Agencies are there for a reason in that they give fair distributed treatment to everyone, and not just the first guy to mumble "spare change".

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I wasn't having a go at you Ciaran, I was just pointing out my own feelings. What I do with my money is my business but if a charity is giving all of its money to the people it is meant to be catering for then I would gladly give it to them, but the fact is that hardly any of that money actually goes to the people that you are supposed to be helping (in some cases I believe it's as low as 5%). I was just mentioning it as an aside, but yet again you start getting self righteous.

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

I'd think it was sad how he had fallen from grace like that. I have a lot of respect for Paul but if he drinks himself into the ground it's his own fault.

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ok maybe bad example, lets say his knee then.....even though i know that was an excuse a lot, but lets say his knee caused severe arthiritis, what then?!

Can we get back on topic please , and that's Dave Langan not Ciaran :)

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

Look, it's not a case that Langan isn't a worthy cause, it's a case that he's a vocal worthy cause while others suffer quietly which isn't fair. The FAI don't owe him anything so it's not a case of an injustice here it's a similar case to wanting to help the poor out with 50 bucks, the right thing is to give it to an agency responsible and experienced in it, the wrong thing is to give it all to a homeless man on the street. That's how I feel about this.

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It's your opinion that the FAI don't owe him anything.

The FAI's job is to promote the game of football to ALL the football family.

The FAI if they grant Davy a testimonial won't actually be handing over any money, so it won't cost them anything. What they would be doing is RECOGNISING A TRUE IRISH LEGEND. The next step would be for a voluntary committee to be formed to organise a testimonial and all the bits that go with the same.

Unfortunately the FAI are more likely to use our money to pamper SOME OF todays multimillionaire stars who don't need it. Mind you most of the current interanational squad are their for their love of the country such as Given Keane Duff etc.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

Unfortunately the FAI are more likely to use our money to pamper SOME OF todays multimillionaire stars who don't need it. Mind you most of the current interanational squad are their for their love of the country such as Given Keane Duff etc.

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One way of kick starting a Dave Langan Benefit Fund would be at the Serbia game by 2 simple things which would take very little organisation and should raise a tidy sum:

- all the Ireland squad to donate their match fee
- add 1 euro to the price of the match programme, €5 to €6, with that extra euro going into the fund and the FAI matching every extra euro raised.

Don't know how many programmes per match they sell, but say 10000. That would raise €20000 + plus whatever the total match fees are. I have no idea what match fees are but if it were €500 for each of the squad, that would raise another €10000.

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

One way of kick starting a Dave Langan Benefit Fund would be at the Serbia game by 2 simple things which would take very little organisation and should raise a tidy sum:

- all the Ireland squad to donate their match fee
- add 1 euro to the price of the match programme, €5 to €6, with that extra euro going into the fund and the FAI matching every extra euro raised.

Don't know how many programmes per match they sell, but say 10000. That would raise €20000 + plus whatever the total match fees are. I have no idea what match fees are but if it were €500 for each of the squad, that would raise another €10000.

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While this would raise funds, it's not the samething as giving him the recogonition he deserves.

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Originally Posted by gustavo

Can we get back on topic please , and that's Dave Langan not Ciaran

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Who the hell is Ciaran:confused: :mad:

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[quote=Jerry The Saint;907619]Who the hell is Ciaran

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Alice's next door neighbour, now who the f*** is Alice :D:D:D

is the interview available online? sorry I cant remember if its in the thread but ive just read through the 11 pages and cant remeber nor can be arsed to trawl back through it.....

On a side note, I think Davey is probably reflective of footballers as at whole at that time, there wasnt such a divide between them and the man in the street, my mother inlaw (big Fulham fan) often tells me of sharing a bus journey with the likes of Johnny Haynes and co when going to the ground early. They were just ordinary blokes who were good /great footballers.

Its just not the same now and perhaps the likes of our younger supporters just simply cant relate to it. If this happened to one of our current stars, they should basically be well able to fund any medical assistance etc...

Either way, if we take the money out of the equation this still doesnt give him the recognition he deserves. Maybe a 'Reunion game for the class of 88' being the first major championships in our lifetime that we qualified for would be an idea??

Isnt there a hall of fame award at the FAI awards?
did he ever get that?

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

Isnt there a hall of fame award at the FAI awards?
did he ever get that?

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Not that i'm aware, the FAI seem to be shying away from anything to do with recognising him and have been doing so for the last 10 yrs or so since his problems started gettin very bad.

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Originally Posted by Junior

is the interview available online? sorry I cant remember if its in the thread but ive just read through the 11 pages and cant remeber nor can be arsed to trawl back through it.....

On a side note, I think Davey is probably reflective of footballers as at whole at that time, there wasnt such a divide between them and the man in the street, my mother inlaw (big Fulham fan) often tells me of sharing a bus journey with the likes of Johnny Haynes and co when going to the ground early. They were just ordinary blokes who were good /great footballers.

Its just not the same now and perhaps the likes of our younger supporters just simply cant relate to it. If this happened to one of our current stars, they should basically be well able to fund any medical assistance etc...

Either way, if we take the money out of the equation this still doesnt give him the recognition he deserves. Maybe a 'Reunion game for the class of 88' being the first major championships in our lifetime that we qualified for would be an idea??

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Page 1 of the thread has links to the radio interview and an archive thread with a old Irish Times interview. Page 2 has links to another couple of old threads and articles on the subject. There's also an article in the last issue of You boys in Green, available to download on their website.

Dunno about a class of 88 reunion, think he's still quite bitter about being overlooked for the final squad having played 4 qualifiers. Was gutted for him at the time but these things happen in football, had it been a 22 man squad rather then 20 he'd probably have made it, lost his place to Chris Morris with Jon Anderson getting the back up spot if memory serves....

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Dunno about a class of 88 reunion, think he's still quite bitter about being overlooked for the final squad having played 4 qualifiers. Was gutted for him at the time but these things happen in football, had it been a 22 man squad rather then 20 he'd probably have made it, lost his place to Chris Morris with Jon Anderson getting the back up spot if memory serves....

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Fair point I didnt realise he wasnt in the squad at all for the actual finals.