Have fans been too harsh on the FAI?

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14/02/2008, 1:59 PM
Drumcondra 69er

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

Or he could take Dolan's view that the FAI only hired a world class manager to keep the media onside. :rolleyes:

Hasn't worked judging by today's Herald and the grilling they took yesterday!! :D
14/02/2008, 2:18 PM
dr_peepee

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

What experts did we have finding a manager?

I see no-one's echoed Roy Keane's comments that we've just gone four months without paying a senior manager, thereby saving about E300k.

I'd say you'd find that went on stans pay off...

Giving credit were it's due is not the same as giving absolution.

The FAI did well... They got the best available manager... They' have already predeflected any criticism that may come down the line because A) Trapp is the Best we could have got and B) It wasn't Delaney , it was the 3 man comitee that recomended him.

I wonder in hindsight about the relevence of the formal comitee when the like of Giles, Brady and Givens would have offered their services anyway in some cappacity. (Given that Giles and Brady did, and Givens already worked for them). But hey, I don't give a b0llix. All's well that ends well.

Come on Garvan, McCann, O'Halloran, O'Dea and Sheridan.... Give Trapp the squad he deserves to work with!!!!!!
14/02/2008, 4:09 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

Making stuff up now are we??? The newspaper I have in my hand says otherwise. :rolleyes:

Read. The. Thread. :rolleyes:

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Earlier this week, Givens said that no contact had been made with Trapattoni and that the panel had one more interview to conduct [with Billy Davies] before making their recommendation.

"When I see that story I find it absolutely amazing. We haven't spoken to Trapattoni and I find it rather hard to believe the FAI are going behind our backs," said Givens on Tuesday in reaction to initial reports surrounding the Italian.

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

I'd say you'd find that went on stans pay off...

Sunk cost though.
14/02/2008, 4:39 PM
barney

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu;877944"

When I see that story I find it absolutely amazing. We haven't spoken to Trapattoni and I find it rather hard to believe the FAI are going behind our backs," said Givens on Tuesday in reaction to initial reports surrounding the Italian.

Do you honestly think Givens would have come out, before Trap was appointed, and told the media he was in negotiations?
14/02/2008, 4:41 PM
jmurphyc

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Originally Posted by barney

Do you honestly think Givens would have come out, before Trap was appointed, and told the media he was in negotiations?

Of course he wouldn't. But why did he feel it was necessary to answer the way he did when he hadn't done that with other candidates?
14/02/2008, 5:36 PM
sullanefc

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Read. The. Thread. :rolleyes:

2nd of Feb :rolleyes:
14/02/2008, 6:08 PM
pineapple stu

So last week, the media were aware of a link with Trappatoni, but Givens denied he'd been in touch. This week, he's taking all the credit for the appointment. Does that not strike you as in any way strange?
14/02/2008, 6:14 PM
NeilMcD

Hi lied last week in order to protect the privacy of Trappatoni. Simple as that.
14/02/2008, 6:15 PM
pineapple stu

Makes no sense. Why accuse the FAI of going behind his back, etc? Why not just give no comment?
14/02/2008, 7:11 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Makes no sense. Why accuse the FAI of going behind his back, etc? Why not just give no comment?

That's what we need. Secrecy from the FAI.
14/02/2008, 7:24 PM
Metrostars

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Makes no sense. Why accuse the FAI of going behind his back, etc? Why not just give no comment?

Where does Givens accuse that FAI of going behind his back?

He made those Trap comments that he had not talked to him long before negotiations were complete. I don't think any of the 3 had confirmed they had interviewed any particular candidate before this so he rightly denied talking to Trap to keep other options open and to not potentially upset the Red Bulls. Really Stu, you are nitpicking at this stage.
14/02/2008, 7:40 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by Metrostars

...I don't think any of the 3 had confirmed they had interviewed any particular candidate before this...

So the bit just before that quote where he confirms they're about to interview Billie Davies, I'm hallucinating that, right?

Both interpretations (that Givens lied to the press or that Trappitoni was contacted by someone other than the selection committee) are consistent with the available facts. Pineapple Stu will believe what he wants to, and you'll believe what you want to. Arguing in a vacuum over who's right is moronic.
14/02/2008, 8:52 PM
HarpoJoyce

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

So last week, the media were aware of a link with Trappatoni, but Givens denied he'd been in touch. This week, he's taking all the credit for the appointment. Does that not strike you as in any way strange?

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Originally Posted by John83

So the bit just before that quote where he confirms they're about to interview Billie Davies, I'm hallucinating that, right?

Both interpretations (that Givens lied to the press or that Trappitoni was contacted by someone other than the selection committee) are consistent with the available facts. Pineapple Stu will believe what he wants to, and you'll believe what you want to. Arguing in a vacuum over who's right is moronic.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Givens' Swiss connections proved useful? You say this while we have a quote from Givens that he never approached Trappatoni? Who was, of course, managing in Austria?

Other posters are polite enough not to point out that even though Giovanni Trapattoni has been managing since 1979, your spelling of his name has alot to be desired. Your arguements get diluted when you don't know how to spell one of the more successful managers of your generation. One of your quotes even links to an article with Senor Trapattoni's name in bold.

Among the wider community, respect for football fans is lost because of the actions of a few mindless individuals.

RTE to the rescue
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/featu...apattonig.html

Aertel
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/229-01.html
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/223-01.html
14/02/2008, 8:57 PM
NeilMcD

You sir and are a pedant and to point it on more than one thread it simply OTT
14/02/2008, 9:16 PM
HarpoJoyce

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

You sir and are a pedant and to point it on more than one thread it simply OTT

I disagree. My own post above is directed to fans I know personally and concern's the spelling of a chap's name. By taking some moments to learn the spelling, shows respect.

The same way many posters are posting on various threads concerning the same action/decision. I've posted on the song thread and the "things to do thread" keeping to topic each time.

Language is about communication, so correct spelling or grammar aren't vital. However, repeat errors of someone's name shows a disinterest and the amount of knowledge known of the subject.

Thanks for this opportunity to forward publish my own ideas.
14/02/2008, 9:58 PM
TonyD

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

You sir and are a pedant and to point it on more than one thread it simply OTT

Shouldn't that read "you sir are a pedant" ??:p
15/02/2008, 10:00 AM
BaZmO*

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Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

....concern's....

No need for an apostrophe there.
15/02/2008, 10:03 AM
Bondvillain

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Shouldn't that read "you sir are a pedant" ??:p

No. It should read "You, sir, are a pedant."

but maybe I'm just being....What's the word? :D

(Punctuation usage for amusement value only. Not to be quoted verbatim. Or regarded as correct.)
15/02/2008, 10:39 AM
John83

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Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

I disagree. My own post above is directed to fans I know personally and concern's the spelling of a chap's name. By taking some moments to learn the spelling, shows respect.

I'm with Harpo on this one. Trapattoni is the national team manager now. We should really learn to spell his name. It shouldn't be too hard. We've gotten used to queer foreign names before, like Lawrenson, Cascarino and Staunton.

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Originally Posted by BaZmO*

No need for an apostrophe there.

Burn. :D
15/02/2008, 10:45 AM
HarpoJoyce

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

A lot of people vented frustration over how long the process has taken and with the whole headhunter system and frustration over Givens involvment and whatnot.

But the bottom line is that the FAI have appointed an excellent manager .....

We often call the establishment a joke, but they've installed a world class manager who's signalled his ambition to take us to the top of our group.

Yes, the organisation have put up with an awful lot of abuse over the years, it can reduce some of the need for the abuse through its own actions, but you won't please everyone.

I'd like to add to Ciaran's question and ask is the FAI stronger, as an Association, for continuing in its activities while resisting the urge to make a change at the top of the organisation. Which appeared to be endemic for a few years in the past.

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