Club or Country?

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Originally Posted by Sumac

Would be country for me - Although I don't know why that makes me an idiot or not a true supporter:confused:

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Because if you were a true supporter you would pick your club over your country if the two were playing on the same night. If, in this unlikely scenario you picked your country over your club and still felt you were a true supporter of your club then you would be an idiot. Simple really.

The thing is that the two should never play on the same night and believe it or not you can be a true supporter of more than 1 team (Not ones that compete in the same competitions obviously!)
By your reckoning no EL supporters should get tickets for International games - They should be kept for the true supporters of the Irish team - I presume you do not attend International games. You wouldn't want to sit beside us idiots!

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Originally Posted by Sumac

The thing is that the two should never play on the same night and believe it or not you can be a true supporter of more than 1 team (Not ones that compete in the same competitions obviously!)
By your reckoning no EL supporters should get tickets for International games - They should be kept for the true supporters of the Irish team - I presume you do not attend International games. You wouldn't want to sit beside us idiots!

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Never said you were an idiot, read my post again. No problem with eircom League fans supporting Ireland, actually think they should be given priority for tickets. Question was who would you choose if, in the unlikely scenario, both played on the same night.

Agree with you that it should never happen that both play on the same night. However if you support any two teams and they play the same night, I think its fair to presume that you support the one you choose to go to more than the other one.

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

club absolutely and anybody who picks country first is either an idiot or not a true supporter of their club!!

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

Because if you were a true supporter you would pick your club over your country if the two were playing on the same night. If, in this unlikely scenario you picked your country over your club and still felt you were a true supporter of your club then you would be an idiot. Simple really.

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The only thing idiotic here is you calling anybody an idiot who would rather watch their country than club on some occasions.

If Ireland were playing in a World Cup final, and Limerick playing on the same night in a meaningless end of season game, I would stay home and watch the World Cup final.

I have no problems saying that, and it makes me no less a supporter than anybody else.

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

a true supporter of their club!!

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What by your definition makes a "true supporter"?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

I have no problems saying that, and it makes me no less a supporter than anybody else.

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Does it make you any less of a supporter than the lads who would go to the Limerick game?

I would never personally go to watch the international team ahead of a Pats match and almost 90% of people here agree with me. I'm actually surprised its not higher.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

What by your definition makes a "true supporter"?

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I mean true as in them over any other football team. There's always going to be circumstances were people can't make games for whatever reason, I just can't grasp the idea of going to watch another team play when you could as easily or more easily watch the club you support week in week out.

If Galway Utd are playing a big cup game (or league game) and Ireland are playing a friendly I will go to the Utd game
If Ieland are playing a qualifier and Utd a friendly I will go to the Irish game
I can't see a scenario ever arising where crucial EL games clash with crucial Irish games. Not even the FAI would do such a thing......

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

Does it make you any less of a supporter than the lads who would go to the Limerick game?

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No. Maybe it makes him (and you) less of an Ireland fan.

Sorry lads for me it is easy Ireland are #1 everything else is just second best .

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Originally Posted by osarusan

No.

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Can't see your logic with that.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Maybe it makes him (and you) less of an Ireland fan.

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Maybe so, I presume you mean Ireland as in the international team rather than Irish football!!

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Originally Posted by Sumac

If Galway Utd are playing a big cup game (or league game) and Ireland are playing a friendly I will go to the Utd game
If Ieland are playing a qualifier and Utd a friendly I will go to the Irish game

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Friendlies are rubbish, although I'd still probably go to one over an Ireland game.

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Originally Posted by Sumac

I can't see a scenario ever arising where crucial EL games clash with crucial Irish games. Not even the FAI would do such a thing......

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Let's not get carried away :D

Charliesboots.........lets say, for sake of arguement, that I've been to 500 LOI games and you've been to only 400...........does that make me a bigger fan of LOI football than you?

If we have been to 400 each, but this weekend I can't go as my brother is getting married, does that make you a bigger fan than me?

Would you consider me justified if I considered you less of a fan if you missed a game to be present at your child's birth?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Charliesboots.........lets say, for sake of arguement, that I've been to 500 LOI games and you've been to only 400...........does that make me a bigger fan of LOI football than you?

If we have been to 400 each, but this weekend I can't go as my brother is getting married, does that make you a bigger fan than me?

Would you consider me justified if I considered you less of a fan if you missed a game to be present at your child's birth?

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Nope, I've already said below

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

There's always going to be circumstances were people can't make games for whatever reason, I just can't grasp the idea of going to watch another team play when you could as easily or more easily watch the club you support week in week out.

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Just don't think missing your clubs match to watch another team play is justifiable. (unless your scouting for your club of course;) )

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Would you consider me justified if I considered you less of a fan if you missed a game to be present at your child's birth?

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Typical fairweather fan! ;)

As one Hoop said years ago: I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup. There's no comparison between the two and I'm amazed that any club supporter (even people who support British clubs such as Man U etc) would put Ireland first under any circumstances.
International football's a bit of a laugh and all that, but it's really just a marketing tool for multinationals and something for grannies, little kids and the kind of people who wear leprechaun suits and wave at TV cameras.

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Originally Posted by pete

Sorry but this is worse Poll of foot.ie history. People who support their club week in week out with always favour it above a National team that plays 5-6 competitive games a year. It will be the same for any other spectator sport.

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Originally Posted by TonyD

Fair point, should have tried putting it in the Ireland forum for a laugh.

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Can a moderator go ahead and do this for comparison's sake? Maybe best left for people who haven't voted already here.

Would be enlightening for people to nominate who their club is as well...

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

Just don't think missing your clubs match to watch another team play is justifiable. (unless your scouting for your club of course;) )

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Under any circumstances? By the following statements, I am assuming your answer is yes.

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

club absolutely and anybody who picks country first is either an idiot or not a true supporter of their club!!

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

Because if you were a true supporter you would pick your club over your country if the two were playing on the same night. If, in this unlikely scenario you picked your country over your club and still felt you were a true supporter of your club then you would be an idiot. Simple really.

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And your definition...........

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Originally Posted by charliesboots

I mean true as in them over any other football team.

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A fair point.....but I don't see the Irish football team and Limerick in the same way.

Ireland are a national team, when they play, it is an occasion for all the country to support them. It appeals to national pride, and in that regard, winning an international trophy would electrify the nation in a way no other could.

Supporting Limerick is a far more personal feeling, without any sense of national or often even local pride. There is no doubt that Limerick winning the league would mean more to me than Ireland winning a tournament, but when it came to a meaningless end-of-season game against the biggest night in the history of Irish sport, I would choose to support Ireland.

I don't see them as being in competition with each other.......and I disagree with the word "idiot" to describe people such as myself.

I do think it reflects more on how highly I support the national team than anything else.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Typical fairweather fan! ;)

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Shame on me:D

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Originally Posted by Billy Lord

As one Hoop said years ago: I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup. There's no comparison between the two and I'm amazed that any club supporter (even people who support British clubs such as Man U etc) would put Ireland first under any circumstances.
International football's a bit of a laugh and all that, but it's really just a marketing tool for multinationals and something for grannies, little kids and the kind of people who wear leprechaun suits and wave at TV cameras.

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But as you don't really support the national team, then you don't understand the feelings of those who do.

What a great thread, we all get to learn the criteria for being a "true" fan. Is there any online printable version I can get so I can tick all the boxes and set my own head straight. I'd hate to think I was neglecting something important in my "true" fan ambitions.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

I don't see them as being in competition with each other.......and I disagree with the word "idiot" to describe people such as myself.

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delusional maybe?

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Originally Posted by Billy Lord

As one Hoop said years ago: I'd rather see Rovers win a corner than Ireland win the World Cup. There's no comparison between the two and I'm amazed that any club supporter (even people who support British clubs such as Man U etc) would put Ireland first under any circumstances.
International football's a bit of a laugh and all that, but it's really just a marketing tool for multinationals and something for grannies, little kids and the kind of people who wear leprechaun suits and wave at TV cameras.

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BL, I waved at a TV camera the other week in Dalymount. :o
I'd bet my house that you would too if they pointed one at you.