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keane does this every time he’s over in support of the blind dogs charity. just saying controversial stuff so it makes the headlines and gets publicity for the charity he supports. when over in previous years for the charity he’s had pops at mccarthy, hinted he’d come out of retirement etc just to make the papers. doubt he really believes that cork thing either
It strikes me that the team have to be continually cajoled into a performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Cyprus was an appalling performance - then a reaction against the Czechs - a few months later another terrible performance against San Marino.
Not exactly giving the impression of a team with an ongoing sense of responsibility, of standards or a team that motivates itself.
Point taken - its Stan's job to motivate the players. I hope he carries on in his heretofore successful attempts to do so.
Keane's peers can choose to acknowledge what he says or dismiss the comments. They can also choose to respond to the unwanted comments by turning the negatives into a committed performance.
Regardless of WHY he said the big players are under performing for Ireland, there's no doubt there's a large amount of truth in it.
John O'Shea has always been shocking for ireland and seems to be indifferent to playing for his country.
Steve Finnan is putting in excellent performances for Liverpool but looks very nervy and uncomfortable with Ireland.
Robbie Keane - well, enoughs been said bout his recent performances already. Itd be brilliant to see him reproduce the hunger and menace he had before and during WC 02.
Duffers has also been inconsistent with Ireland (but not as much as the above). He has produced his spark in the 2nd half against the Czechs and now and again in other games but not as regularly as he used to.
Shay has been unbelievable for Ireland for the past 4 or 5 years and i dnt think Keane would have meant him when talking about the big players
Not Keanes jobQuote:
It strikes me that the team have to be continually cajoled into a performance.
Agreed to an extent. Still nothing to do with Keane thoughQuote:
Cyprus was an appalling performance - then a reaction against the Czechs - a few months later another terrible performance against San Marino.
Again not Roystons problemQuote:
Not exactly giving the impression of a team with an ongoing sense of responsibility, of standards or a team that motivates itself.
It really is the lowest form of witQuote:
Point taken - its Stan's job to motivate the players. I hope he carries on in his heretofore successful attempts to do so.
Any pro with any bit of self respect wont take the slightest bit of notice IMOQuote:
Keane's peers can choose to acknowledge what he says or dismiss the comments. They can also choose to respond to the unwanted comments by turning the negatives into a committed performance.
Dominic Foley's from cork and he has 9 senior caps for Ireland. If that's anything to go by then the FAI have a bias towards cork. All this s**t about cork lads not getting picked is getting a bit boring. If they really think that why don't they f**k off and form their own international team. I won't miss their bleating and to be honest i don't think anyone else will either. It's like all the s**t-talk about the peoples republic of cork. F**k off and do something about it if you want to be seperate and stop spouting s**t from your holes. The rest of us don't care. It just bothers us that we have to listen to it in those stupid accents.
Roy Keane is an Irish man and is just as entitled to comment on our national team players and management as we are.
He was asked questions and he answered them saying what a majority of fans agree with..(Bar that cork bias stuff :rolleyes: )
The timing is probably the worst thing here. Imagine if the situation was reversed. Say Sunderland fail to get automatic promotion and some ex-Sunderland player came out a couple of days before the playoffs and said that Roy is stupid, is picking the team all wrong and is biased against English players.
It's very quick that he's become such a wise expert (and compared to Staunton he is!) that he feels he has to throw out unsolicited advice. In my opinion, his argument is let down badly by two things:
- The Ride Cork Rock Solid, Pro-Dublin Agenda (led by Staunton - Louth; Robson - Durham; Delaney - South Tipp; MacDonald - Inverness; Kelly - Preston; Devlin - Tosser; etc.)
- The fact that he's going to war over David Connolly and Liam Miller :rolleyes: Honestly, of all players! It's a fair point to argue that they should be there but they've both had plenty of chances.
Indeed, when both Miller and Connolly were going through bad form they both benefited from the managers' "loyalty" in the past as part of a settled squad. It would be completely different if it was a Kevin Nolan for England scenario or similar (sorry for bringing his name up again :) ), where you have a guy who had never been called up and given a chance.
the irony of you defending someones right to make racist comments in another thread and then questioning a former Ireland captains right to comment on the Ireland team in another:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Basically he as an Irishman has every right to comment on what is a farce of a national team set up. at least he does it publicly and not anonomously on the internet like yourself eh?
He is doing so in the knowledge that he is undermining the role of Staunton just because Staunton didnt select some of his players , which is petty in the extreme.
Great post Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Should you want my name and phone number pm me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
"Anonomously on the internet" Possibly the most retarded stick anyone has ever tried to beat me with :rolleyes:
Can you people not see the difference between yourselves as Irishmen commenting on it and Keane as an Irishman commenting on it??
If you say something critical it generally doesn't end on the back pages. ;)
He's $hit stirring, adding further pressure to a job which he showed no interest in on the eve of a crunch qualifier
Just confirms my opinion of him as a base born, vindictive little $hit
It's all about the timing William, the timing ;)
Wow that's almost as insightful as your contributions in that completely irrelevant thread he mentioned :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Roy Keane's interview last night on NewsTalk: http://www.newstalk106.ie/podcasts/l...ccer/keane.mp3
There is no way Keane can be on about Shay, who has been Irelands best and most outstanding player for the last number of years...You are right the players always needed to be cajoled into getting motivated for games..It just shows you how far motivation can go after how that second string irish team preformed against the czechs..if we turn up, we should beat wales comfortably...we have nothing to fear from the slovaks either, they are hardly glittered with superstars..the czechs hammered them at home and their 5-2 victory over wales was more than flattering.
Not trying to be insightful just agreeing with his post which I am entitled to do. I am sure you will recover from me agreeing with Bill, Not sure Bill will though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I'm in shock here. Fair dues to Bill.
its a fair point given the point you wer emaking imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
yes...as a former player he would have a far greater insight into the reality of the situation than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I have to laugh at this. How is this a crunch qualifier?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
And he is only stating the bleeding obvious. reminds me of that quote from the liverpool player about why souness got the sack...."it was the media that got him the sack.......as they kept printing the results..."
again hes entitled to his opinion which was bang on the money as far as Im concerned(apart from the Cork thing which was pure balls but again so f*ckin what?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Everything he said apart from the cork thing was 100% right!! Stan has to pick the right team not players who are living off the back off a good world cup 5 years ago..
Well IMO it was a pretty funkin stupid point. We'll have to agree to differ on that oneQuote:
its a fair point given the point you wer emaking imo
For Staunton. If he loses could be in a spot of bother. Hope that clears things upQuote:
I have to laugh at this. How is this a crunch qualifier?
It shows that the Cork thing is rubbish as he cannot answer it when asked by the guy from Newstalk even though he is asked twice. Is answer to that is very very weak compared to his other answers. I think the thing about the Guide dogs is true. Its like he goes up on stage does his 30 mins of spouting off from the hip and 90% of its right. Then the next day the papers are full of it with pictures of Guidedogs. When he is interviewed by the guy from Newstalk he seems less vindictive as he is off stage. Thats the impression I got listening to the podcast.
Saying that I reckon this might get the players back up and he may have done Staunton a favour to be honest. People spout on about players getting paid loads and they should be already motivated, this should be the case and it often is not and little petty things like this can make the difference. I am not saying Keane should take credit for this but I reckon Robbie Keane and O Shea and Duff will be pretty ****ed off when reading Keanes comments.