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Originally Posted by Magicme
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Originally Posted by Magicme
ok maybe "block" is a strong word, but lets say some arent as receptive to the idea as others coz the GAA wont be getting the same support from the council. Did the GAA approach the council for a development officer..........eh no....so what the feck is the whingin about!
BIGOTED is an entirely correct description of what Thomas Davis are trying on in Tallaght.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
It's a word... it's in the dictionary... and it's 100 per cent spot on.
You might prefer a more harmless description such as "not very nice" or whatever - but that wouldn't be accurate.
Are there any other standard words you would like to outlaw while you're at it?
Okay here's the deal; Would all gaa sympathisers please use your browsers "find and replace" word tool to replace every harsh "BIGOTED" word with either "a bit mean" or "not very nice"Quote:
Originally Posted by khoop
That should sensor yourself against everything so....
We demean ourselves by demeaning others - it's as simple as that - and the funny thing is it's totally unnecessary - no need for an inferiority complex
"Censor"Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
I'm a GAA supporter. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy in soccer supporters not seeing merit in the argument that the Tallaght Stadium is being financed with public money and so should be open to the GAA etc. when the same argument was presented by soccer fans in arguments as to why Croke Park should be opened up to soccer.
However, Thomas Davis need to back off in this case, they have a perfectly good ground in Kiltipper and are only causing bad blood and divisions. There is enough money in the big GAA clubs in Tallaght and in the GAA to fund a GAA stadium in Tallaght if needs be, but it is probably not needed.
I see no problem with Rovers agreeing to let "big" senior games being played in the stadium when vacant, assuming Davis etc. pay the rental for the stadium, if they are big enough to need a stadium, they should get enough money on the gates to cover the rental.
Rovers need Tallaght Stadium and Tallaght need Rovers, this stadium will be great for Tallaght, Rovers and for Eircom League. Get on with it.
You've completely missed the point of this. To extend the pitch to GAA size, the current stand would have to be demolished and the final capacity slashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
Public money is spent on many projects - without a guarantee that everybody who wants to be included, can actually be included. Swings and roundabouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
So Thomas Davis want the stadium open to everyone.
Okay then - let's have an athletics track.
Oh, sorry - not possible. A GAA pitch doesn't fit inside an athletics track.
Alright then - let's have a hockey pitch.
Oh dear, not possible. Way too small compared to the size of a GAA pitch. Would look farcical.
But surely a cricket pitch must be possible. With the World Cup and all that.
Damn. Not possible either. Wrong shape.
Hmmm.....
Maybe it isn't about "everyone" after all.
Maybe it's just about the GAA.
What a surprise.
Packie does great work for the kids and loves his GAA. He used be always in and out of the Department of the Gaeltacht meeting the Minister to discuss the Summer Camp Scheme as the FAI's representative — along with … drumroll … the GAA :eek: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Magicme
My point, in answer to HulaHoops who said that the existence of a minority of extremely anti-FAI people in the GAA was a part of the reason he felt entitled to call the organization "bigoted" despite recognizing the majority to be bang-on and all-sporty, was that there is a corresponding section within the FAI who despise and bitterly resent the GAA. I didn't really think that that was seriously up for debate.
It might sound like whataboutery, but I'm not excusing either and think both sets of haters, fans and officials alike, are pathetic. I wouldn't stand for any "GAA sympathizer" (love it :D) referring to the FAI as a "pack of bigots" either.
Erstwhile Bóz of course there is an element within the FAI that despise the GAA but IMO this is due to the fact that in the not so distant past many of them were treated like second class citizens by GAA people because they chose soccer over GAA.
The FAI have never taken a judicial review case to the High Court to prevent public money being spent on a GAA ground, neither have the IRFU or the national athletics body or any other sporting organisation. So why the GAA?
What do you believe Thomas Davis' motivation is in taking this case? It wouldn't be because their head man David Kennedy is bigoted against soccer would it?
Croke Park didn't need a stand demolished and its capacity more than halfed to accomodate "soccer" now did it?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
I'm not being hypocritical, I've been following this scandel for many years now.
Their motives are to delay the stadium as much as possible, in the hope that shamrock rovers will go bust, because they are clearly scared of quote: "tallaght being restricted to a diet of association football"
I don't think that the committee that recommended the expansion of the municipal stadium to accommodate GAA were acting out of "bigotry" towards soccer and I don't think that the council's vote to accept the recommendation was a "bigoted" one. I don't think the Minister's decision to stick by his guns was "bigotry" the other way either.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
I think there's probably a lot of people in Thomas Davis and the other clubs out West who honestly think they were wronged over that. I think that the Minister's decision to stick by his original funding terms despite the new plans stung them, and importantly it all came at a really awkward time regarding the issue of access to other codes' grounds.
I think it just got out of hand, it has been turned into this stupid fecking Clash of Civilizations (by both sides), and the GAA are being saps about backing down because a) they still have an outside shot of getting in on this free municipal stadium in a brilliant location and b) they think there's similarities with the Croke Park deal.
As regards the FAI never having taken similar action, that's probably true. But I don't think a similar situation has ever applied to the FAI.
I hope they sort it soon, anyway, because that fecking stand depresses the life out of me.
How many times must I say this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Erstwhile Bóz
They know at this stage there is zero chance of them getting "this free municipal stadium in a brilliant location" because even if they succeed in obtaining a judicial review and overturn the county councel's decision, which would take years and years, funding would be withdrawn for the stadium as it would be too costly to demolish the existing stand to create a stadium half the intended capacity. *deep breath*
They are in it to delay and prevent the stadium from being built - Fact.
How about David Kennedy's statement that in a 'battle between the GAA and Shamrock Rovers' (his words), the GAA will be 'the last man standing' (again, his words)?
The GAA have a rule that bans the playing of what they insultingly call 'foreign' sports on their playing fields. I can't think of any other sporting body on the planet that operates in such an openly apartheid fashion.
Of course the GAA is not a bigoted organisation.:rolleyes:
And who gets massive amounts of government funded money to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
And who denies ever getting this money from the government....Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
He sounds like a dick, never mind whatever context he was speaking in or whoever he was trying to rile or fire up. Those are certainly the words of a dick. He must be one of those anti-FAI people that everybody knows exist in the GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Lord
was to €114m for croke parke alone?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
how much was the overall cost of building the ground? more than €114m i would think
did the GAA put forward other funds they earned themselves? yes
are the gov. making any funds available for landsdowne? yes
what percentage?
is it right that the gov./national lottery provides funds in relation to sporting developments? yes
should these sporting bodies put up some of the costs themselves to match what they get in grants/aid? yes
have people involved in soccer up till now proved themselves totally incompetitent in providing stadiums for the sport in this country? yes
are a lot of the people on this forum who liberally use the term bigot showing themselves to have this trait themselves? yes
who's fault is it that the tallaght stadium had to be bailed out by the local council in the first place????
have the people involved in soccer on this island shown themselves unable to raise funds to build staduims or even more importantly unable to lobby government officals to support their problems? yes
are the politicans also bigoted for supporting the GAA projects throughout the country?
is everyone in the country a bigot apart from those who support eL teams?
check out tom humphries article on it today - irish times
complete one sided nonsense
they scream self righteous indignation when labeled bigots yet when their propagandists and allies in the press come out with the like of his bile and blatant twisting of the tale to suit their own agenda they reveal themselves as the out dated sporting nazis they are.
for a further classic of this genre read the Ulster County board members "my two cents" piece in the Sunday Tribune a few weeks back before the ireland england rugby game -talk about stuck in the 1880's.
I really hope the judge throws their 'case' out but I fear that the old guard of this bannana republic will stick together on this one
Aye. I had to put on Mise Éire in the background when I was reading it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wws
He makes a weird little comment towards the end, though, about Lansdowne:
:confused: Anybody heard anything about that?Quote:
The whispers are, though, that when the planning people get back this week the news will be that the stadium's proposed capacity will be whittled and the IRFU, a little surprised perhaps at the sweetheart of a deal the FAI were handed in the redevelopment master plan, will opt to cash in their chips in D4 and build elsewhere on their own steam (with, one hopes, appropriate Lotto funding to help). The Irish Glass Bottle Company in Ringsend would be the perfect site.
And so Irish professional soccer, a commercial enterprise which retails a genuinely beautiful game, but is domestically incapable of running its own business, will be homeless again.