ya i did as a certain element of criteria which will aid our endeavours in getting into the elite.You then said "if your going to go up on a website".-Stupid Comment there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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ya i did as a certain element of criteria which will aid our endeavours in getting into the elite.You then said "if your going to go up on a website".-Stupid Comment there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Can you highlight one LOI season where this hasn't been the case? My own personal view is that the competence levels of chairmen and administrative staff at the various league clubs dictate that a financial crisis is needed here and there for anything to done (correctly).Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
Apart from Shels (and I'm not convinced they'll go pop) who else are you suggesting could be likely to go belly-up between now and next season ?Quote:
Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie
There's a huge difference between being in financial trouble, and actually going out of existence.
UCD for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
A lot of people are saying "If such and such wins the 1st Division it's a disgrace we won't get promoted". If the process is followed to the letter then the difference between first and second place in the 1st Division this season should have a negligable impact.
Have the clubs been given a more detailed breakdown of the criteria than the wishey washey stuff that we see from the website? What's a preferable governance structure for example?
Not talking about one particular club but one particular season when there hasn't been a club facing a financial disaster. Financial crisis and the like are all too commonplace in the league and, looking from the outside-in, clubs seem to be need them to get anything done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Just as a matter of interest, is UCD football club a separate entity from the college? And if not, would UCD football club be able to support itself as a separate entity?
Preferable governance structure is, as you point out, very subjective - if that's what you mean by "the wishey washey stuff" :-)
It's officially a college society I think. It's basically self sustaining though. It's responsible for raising its own funds and contrary to popular belief UCD AFC pays the college fees for the scholarship players, not the tax payers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Well the term is just "governance structure" but I asked what do they consider preferable? That's the kind of subjective ambiguous or "wishey washey" stuff I'm on about.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Yes the clubs have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
They were given it at a seminar on September 7th and now have till the end of October to get their information together to demonstrate how they satisfy the various crtieria.
Corporate governance is by definition wishey-washey. You could probably ask ten experts in the field of corporate governance and get ten different definitions. I think what the FAI is suggesting is that accountable and transparent structures need to be put in place to avoid clubs going bust. For instance, you and many other supporters of other league clubs do not know the true financial picture of your club. I'd be surprise that the football club, if it is classified as a society, doesn't get a share of society funding that is allocated by the college each year. I doubt also that ground maintenance is paid by the club but rather by the college, or that the club pays rent to the college for use of Belfield Pk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
where the hell do they find that money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Sponsorship, gate receipts, half time draw tickets, superleague fees, transfer fees (I think Alan Cawley, Pat Sullivan and Robbie Martin must have all gone for €50k combined), tv money, prize money, there's an annual golf event and dinner to raise money for the scholarship fund too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsFans
UCD run a tight ship, we only spend what we have, hence no large transfer fees, wages and trophies. Players have no trouble being paid and we're bang up to date with the revenue too.
On the mention of scholarships, how is Ger O'Callaghan settling in? Has he played for you yet? He's a good kid & hope he does well.
I presume so the players are part-time. Any ideas what the average wage at UCD is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
no large transfer fees....Ye didnt have to pay a penny when ye took John Gaffney from us a few seasons ago.He was a great player but he returned to Sligo as if he never played football before in his life....thanks UCD;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
So your paying players + the majority of your squads college fees, which is €2-3,000 a pop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Im sorry to ask but how does the club system work in the republic below the 1st division, up here we have 3 leagues then its regionalised does regionalisation of the league happen in ROI. Is there any reasonably big clubs ie club history that play in these leagues.
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Originally Posted by Poor Student
If UCD are treated like any other college course/school by having to pay for their own scholars, does that mean they're also treated the same as any other college school/course* in terms of not having to pay for the use/upkeep of their facilities ? Do UCD also receive a grant from the college, like oher courses/schools ? If so - scholarships would be more than possible due to reduced costs elsewhere.
*except those few colleges that have gone mad on the cost-centred accounting.
Dunno what the standard wage at UCD is. I think scholarship players get €100-200 a week. Every player either has another job or is scholarship so they're all part time. They train 3 times a week I think.
Steve, I'm confused by your questions. Do you mean UCD as in the club or the college? I'm not sure who pays for the upkeep of the stadium. UCD will very soon move into the Belfield Bowl stadium at the other end of the campus to share with the rugby club. I don't know if the clubs maintain it or the Department of Sport (in UCD) in general or what.
The LOI does not link directly into the pyramid below the First Division. Relegation out of the league can only happen by committee vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dassa
It could be argued that UCD has an unfair advantage over other LOI clubs in that scholarships are tax exempt.
Waterford has a link up with WIT. I think Cork have a link up with UCC? Someone else said Bohs have a linkup with DCU. Nothing stopping other clubs from availing of a scholarship scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101