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And thats all it is to be fair, its colloquial man, i woldnt focus on the words ... its the actual point that is important. Its tribalism or whatever way you want to describe it but its all good once it doesn't move from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
I get what you mean ie people are saying they hate shels fans, etc but they actually dont hate them in the strictest sense of the word. Thats probably true as well. Moving beyond tribalism onto violence or anything like that is totally unacceptable of course
so you wouldnt like shels to be a members club owned by the fans (ie you) where you elect the board, where you get a say in how your club is run? that doesnt appeal to you??Quote:
Originally Posted by Anto McC
Why should I get a say?Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
I have no experience in running a football club,Shelbourne FC owes me nothing!
If it were the case,i would elect Ollie every time!
enough said anto mc.
that attitude sums up why we think you derserve everything you get
Has Anto and Ollie ever been seen in the same room, at the same time? Just to confirm like :)
:D There has been many things said of me on this forum but thats the best ever :)Quote:
Originally Posted by el punter
RTID,we will get what we deserve,as all teams do and there is no team more deserving of their place in the first division than Rovers!
and the ironic thing is if we got control any earlier we might have been ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anto McC
the reality is anto, mcliar and ollie are the same animal with one difference, olly is a genuine shels man with a love for the club. but they are both spendthrif spoofers who are hoping for that pay day.
if you hear the investor is coming in 3/4 weeks, ill pay you in at the kildare game on wednesday and introduce you round as our new biggest fan :D
You just don't get the whole football thing do you? Clubs owe fans EVERYTHING. No fans = no gate receipts, no sponsorship, no perimeter advertising, no programme sales, no half time draws, no merchandising sales, no income, no club. Ollie could go down on Abramovich in the morning to bail youse out of this, but without fans, he'd be running a shell, not Shelbourne.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anto McC
I do get the whole football thing,i just dont take the same veiw as everyone else!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr.Nightdub
If i go to a nightclub week in,week out,pay whatever fee they are charging me every time i go,am i then due a say in how the nightclub is run,or a vote on who the manager of the night club is?
RTID,are you saying that i am not a geniune shels fan?
So why didnt you go for control earlier ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
No, im saying you arent a genuine football fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anto McC
imagine comparing your football team to a nightclub? :(
time to dig up the football culture thread again
it took the 400 club over 2 years of hard work , and a lot of time and money, (a lot spent convincing fellow fans who werent as clued in) that the club was being run into the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by aido1895
not to mention court and examinership. it all kept a delay on eventually taking over the club.
anto mcc you sound like a clueless gombeen.i dont know whether your head is in the sand or if its up ollies arse.
hope you's get shafted like us in '87. at least youl have deserved it
nb your nightclub analogy is pathetic
I see what you are saying , but why did it take Rovers almost going out of business to galvanise you(thee fans) into doing something about the situation ?Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
It was obvious for many years before the 400club were formed that your club was heading towards the **** heap. To the outsider It might appear that Rovers fans werent bothered doing anything until they realised that their club would soon be no more.
anto eile you quite obviously havent a clue what the Shels fans are doing and are trying to do in order to have more of a say in the running of the club so your preaching here on the subject smacks of patting yourself on the back over the 400club. Just because things arent talked about on the net or because fans dont run to the herald ala the 400 club for a bit of publicity doent mean nothing is happening.
I don't knoiw either, but Colin's got you down as his professional witness...... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
Ayways- make up your mind. One miniute you're saying that Expenditure is the key figure with regards the accounts of a football team. The next minute you're saying it's turnover. Which one are you going to settle on Stu ?
It's a couple of years since I've sat in an economics lecture but my understanding of turnover is that it's the amount of money passing through a business. In the case of a business which is loss making or just breaking even (which probably includes all league clubs), turnover and expenditure are the same figure.
Elaborate please?Quote:
Originally Posted by anto eile
We can all make remarks and then not back them up!
I happened to use a nightclub because the person i was specificly refering to was called Dr Nightclub or something along those lines!!
Anto Eile,almost everytime you post,you insult someone,i dont know if its jealousy because the club you support is sh*t,be it in the control of the 400 club or anyone but whatever it is,it doesnt add to any of the points you make!
That lecture mustn't have held your attention much either - if the business is loss-making, it's because the expenditure figure is HIGHER than the turnover figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
Turnover probably isn't the most appropriate figure to use here anyway. It's fine for a company whose main (or only) source of money is from selling goods or services. That's not the case for football clubs, where income from sources like sponsorship, etc can outweigh what they get from selling tickets, merchandise, etc.
When it comes to setting the salary cap, the best thing to peg to would be its income, from all sources.
Anto McC, your nightclub analogy is trite (apart from also being a tad illiterate, but that's a mistake many people make so I'll let you off on it). A football club isn't simply another option among many for how to spend your leisure euro. If Club Whatever shut down, you'd just go bopping somewhere else. But unlike a nightclub, a cinema or a video shop, there's an emotional bond between a fan and their football club.
Unless, of course, that too is different at Shels.
I'd question your attendance at any economics lectures if you think turnover and expenditure are the same thing - regardless of a businesses' financial performance. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
It's 12 years since I sat in an economics lecture myself, and 13 for an Accountancy one, but I still wouldn't be able to use chronology to explain away such a basic misunderstanding.
Turnover would be a ridiculous figure to base any salary cap on, because it would be frankly an irrelevant one. An Irish football club could turnover €10m a year - but a large chunk of that might be money it is effectively collecting for other people (e.g. merchandise manufacturers, tax man, ground rent/gate-share etc etc). Why should they therefore be allowed to pay players more on the basis of money that isn't theirs ? Also - if such a club's non-salary costs were higher than their turnover e.g. €11m, that would show the absurdity in using that figure.
I agree with Nightdub that Income/revenue is a better figure - though that would also fail to fully address the need to take a club's key costs into account. 'Trading profit' would probably be the ideal figure to use to get round this problem - though football being the business it is, it would mean that a lot of teams would have a zero or negative salary cap ! :o