With repect, that's naive. What is reality only looks like negativity from where you see the league. We haven't had all three teams past one round ever, and now you want all four to get past two rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
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With repect, that's naive. What is reality only looks like negativity from where you see the league. We haven't had all three teams past one round ever, and now you want all four to get past two rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Thing is, if Shels go through as many rounds as Cork did - we will be in the UEFA Cup 2nd QR, which then automatically makes a difference to the EL, as we could hopefully earn some form of co-efficient points!
That’s not correct. We will then play a decent team in the 2nd QR and ALL Irelands Coefficient points will be divided by 4 instead of 3 meaning that we would need a few wins to justify our inclusion.
Also Cork never got past 3 rounds in the Intertoto. They won thorugh 2 rounds in a 5 round competition didnt they?
It will be a lot more difficult to advance in this seasons format if there are only 3 rounds. You are sure to hit a team in country from one of the TOP 8 in the final round. That’s only when you beat your more fancied opponents in the earlier 2 rounds ..
I'd be happy with shels getting to the 2nd Round to be honest. The same for the 3 teams in CL and UEFA action.
I would be happy with three teams getting past one round each in the CL/UEFA. To be selfish, I'd prefer Cork to go through three or four rounds and sod the rest. :D It would also look good to the barstool brigade if Shels got through a couple of intertoto games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
4 teams to qualify for UEFA is not viable at present. I'd be especially worried about Drogs. They need to step up a class to do well in Europe.
Our top league teams can now beat certain teams on our day, but the leagues of France, Spain, etc. are still too strong for us to hope to get many teams through multiple rounds.
Provisional (very provisional!) seedings for the 2006/07 season are here, incidentally. Shels are seeded in the InterToto and there's a good few teams in the Second Round you wouldn't be scared of. Win Round 3 and you're in the UEFA - currently contains the likes of Lazio, Rangers, Maccabi Tel-Aviv, Viking and GAK (Austria). It's possible to get through.
No other team is seeded, though for some reason, the website doesn't have the regionalised UEFA Cup draw. Maybe that's an oversight, maybe it's gone??
No team you wouldn't give City a fair chance of beating at least. Perhaps Cyprus the toughest. They usually have a few Croats and Serbs playing for them and it's usually the same clubs in europe every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Some potenially awful trips though.
I wonder if City had drawn the second leg against Slavia would we have been seeded? It's close between us and Belarus.
You would have been, yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by paudie
Domzale would be very dangerous for Cork. They're spending big at the moment in Slovenia and have assembled a good team. They competed well in Europe this year beating Stuttgart away in the UEFA Cup 1st round and I think would knock Cork out.
Yes but at least it stimulated some possitive debate instead of people slagging each other off. if you look at each teams individually the height of thier ambition would be to win through a few rounds. Now i know in reality that is not going to happen but i maintain that it is possible. The FAIlures should be setting this as some kind of medium term target and asking each individual club what help they need to achive this.....but now i'm really clutching at straws.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
As to what i think will happen I reckon city to get through 2 rounds of champs lge. Derry and Drogs to get through 1 round and Shels to get a shot of making the 2nd q round of uefa.
But sure I could talk about UCD getting into the UEFA Cup through the Fair Play draw and going on to make the last 16 - that's positive debate, but there has to be some sense of realism to it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Walk before we can run. I'd be quite happy with all three teams getting through the first round. Anything extra would be a bonus.
Listen, I am telling you now, if you draw Domzale (or possibly Gorica) this could be seriously bad. There is a lot of money behind them, I am annoyed to see a team of that quality in so early. It could be all over for you before it has begun. Of course I know now I have said this they'll draw the lowest seeds, get hammered by them and I'll look silly.:D
We have to travel from a different country every fortnight.........Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Im an optimist about Shels and the Inter ToTo. We can do it. It may be hard but we should get through the first two rounds. If we could just fix things at the back.
Higgins on the Shels forum notes that club ranking points don't count for InterToto seedings. This would make sense - (a) no ranking points are gained from it and (b) Bohs were unseeded last year, which makes sense only if you take away their ranking points gained against Kaiserslautern. Only Shels (v Hibs) and Longford (v Carmarthen, though the north/south/mid split helped a lot there) have been seeded in European competition without gaining full points, I think. On that basis, Shels won't be seeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Correct :)
From what I can gather so far the Intertoto will continue to use country coefficients and NOT team coefficients as the site you posted uses. The guy who runs the site says he does it on team coefficients as its easier on him to predict the winners that go through to the UEFA Cup and thats all he is interested in. The way he gets the 11 most likely winners is not important!!
Anyway shels will be unseeded it seems.
So for people saying its possible, yes in theory it is but we have to play 3 teams of a better standard. The odds are highly stacked against us. Winning through 1 round is more then we deserve if you take our seeding. Until we become seeds on a regular basis then talk of going to 3rd rounds is mostly rubbish.