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15/12/2005, 9:57 AM
OwlsFan

I see he got the best young player award in the SPL for November:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ic/4519696.stm
15/12/2005, 6:53 PM
Fergie's Son

That's great news. Keane going to Celtic may not be such good news though. Strachan might shift his midfield which might result in McGeady losing his place or getting less playing time.
15/12/2005, 8:31 PM
thejollyrodger

but keane will be a good infulance on Mc Geady. Plus any other irish lad there.
15/12/2005, 8:58 PM
Fergie's Son

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

but keane will be a good infulance on Mc Geady. Plus any other irish lad there.

We can only hope. I'd like to think you are right though.
15/12/2005, 11:59 PM
eirebhoy

McGeady might lose his place in the short term but Lennon and Keane won't be playing in the same team long term.
16/12/2005, 9:54 AM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

but keane will be a good infulance on Mc Geady. Plus any other irish lad there.

Like Liam Miller and John O'Shea at Man U :eek: :eek: ? I think not.
16/12/2005, 11:37 AM
livehead1

he was good mates with o'shea i think you'll find.
16/12/2005, 12:45 PM
Junior

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Like Liam Miller and John O'Shea at Man U :eek: :eek: ? I think not.

Probably more to do with their ****e form - I suppose keane was to blame for that as well..........
16/12/2005, 12:55 PM
NeilMcD

Sure he is also at fault for the Iraq war too.
16/12/2005, 12:56 PM
OwlsFan

No, just answering the statement that Keane will have a good effect on the young Irish players in Celtic ? There is no basis for that statement having regard to the form of O'Shea and Miller when he was there. In fact one could argue that O'Shea's form has picked up since he left.
17/12/2005, 1:49 PM
Condex

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

No, just answering the statement that Keane will have a good effect on the young Irish players in Celtic ? There is no basis for that statement having regard to the form of O'Shea and Miller when he was there. In fact one could argue that O'Shea's form has picked up since he left.

Would have to agree, it seems like a weight has lifted off his shoulders since Keane left...
17/12/2005, 2:30 PM
thejollyrodger

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Like Liam Miller and John O'Shea at Man U :eek: :eek: ? I think not.

Man United are a different kettle of fish... They arent top of the league and they are more like a club in decline from their former glory. No wonder he was having a go at all the players. Man united is not a club i would recommend to any youngster at the moment.

Celtic on the other hand are top of their league and look forward to CL football next season if they can keep the ship on course. RMK can feature in the CL matches if he can keep himself fit.
17/12/2005, 6:32 PM
Plastic Paddy

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

Man United are a different kettle of fish... They arent top of the league and they are more like a club in decline from their former glory. No wonder he was having a go at all the players.

Well domestically at least they look as if they're heading back on course and enjoying their football without the shadow of RMK looming large over them...

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

Man united is not a club i would recommend to any youngster at the moment.

Sounds like you may have delusions of grandeur there, Rodg. :D

On the other hand (and if you haven't I apologise), do let us know the next time a hot footballing prospect comes and consults you before deciding whether it's ManYoo, Arsenal or Chelsea that he wants to join... :p

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17/12/2005, 10:05 PM
thejollyrodger

PP.
Man United are not a club of stability at the moment. They will continue to be a rocky boat until fergie goes and then the proper rebuilding will start. It would be far better for an irish youngster to get some stability in a smaller club and then maybe try for united in a few seasons time (when fergie has been pushed)

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On the other hand (and if you haven't I apologise), do let us know the next time a hot footballing prospect comes and consults you before deciding whether it's ManYoo, Arsenal or Chelsea that he wants to join...

I'll PM you with a tip off ;)
17/12/2005, 10:14 PM
Plastic Paddy

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

Man United are not a club of stability at the moment. They will continue to be a rocky boat until fergie goes and then the proper rebuilding will start. It would be far better for an irish youngster to get some stability in a smaller club and then maybe try for united in a few seasons time (when fergie has been pushed)

Fair point and FWIW I'm inclined to agree. Liam Miller's experience, for example, shows the pitfalls of being a fringe player at ManYoo under old whiskey chops. I'd hate to see another Irish prospect go the same way.

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Originally Posted by totalfootball

This is called cherry-picking facts, and in this case results, in order to support one's pet theories. Using this sort of logic it would be possible to argue that Mick McCarthy's team are the best in the Premiership since they have a 100% record in all the games they have won. Let's just not mention all the ones they have lost...

Fine bombast, but I was talking about their record in domestic football since he left. Hardly an artificial construct for the purposes of an argument, so I disagree with your premise, but that's by the by. The answer is five wins and sixteen points from six league games. Those facts speak for themselves. No cherry-picking required.

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18/12/2005, 1:17 AM
TheJamaicanP.M.

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Originally Posted by totalfootball

This is called cherry-picking facts, and in this case results, in order to support one's pet theories. Using this sort of logic it would be possible to argue that Mick McCarthy's team are the best in the Premiership since they have a 100% record in all the games they have won. Let's just not mention all the ones they have lost...

As happened so often during the last decade, as soon as Keane was out of the team, Man Utd underperformed. In the Champion's League, in a group containing none of the top European teams, they managed to finish bottom and failed to even qualify for the UEFA Cup. Still you are trying to imply that their results without him are better and that he was a negative influence!

I am certainly not Roy Keane's greatest fan, but anyone who tries to argue that Keane was anything other than a positive influence on Man Utd's results is deluding themselves. Incredibly, Keane's ability to improve their results remained right up until the end (albeit not always to the same extent as before) - as soon as Keane was injured, Man Utd's form dipped.

I agree 100% with this post. Keane's influence on results was immense, both for ManU and Ireland. Anyone who could suggest that results have improved or will improve for either team in Keane's absence are deluding themselves. I remember when Keane got injured early in the 1997/98 season, United's results were excellent in the run-up to Christmas. Some people said United were a better team without him. However, the second half of the season proved how much they missed him. In a similar way, I think United will struggle when they need someone with genuine leadership skills. The likes of Ronaldo will go missing. From what I can see, Wayne Rooney is ploughing a lone furrow at the moment. United are lacking characters - winners who have the convictions to strive for something better. Indeed, I would put United's recent improvement on the domestic scene down to the return of Gary Neville to first-team action. Despite what many people might think, Neville is a player with character, a top professional.
18/12/2005, 1:33 AM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

I agree 100% with this post. Keane's influence on results was immense, both for ManU and Ireland. Anyone who could suggest that results have improved or will improve for either team in Keane's absence are deluding themselves. I remember when Keane got injured early in the 1997/98 season, United's results were excellent in the run-up to Christmas. Some people said United were a better team without him. However, the second half of the season proved how much they missed him. In a similar way, I think United will struggle when they need someone with genuine leadership skills. The likes of Ronaldo will go missing. From what I can see, Wayne Rooney is ploughing a lone furrow at the moment. United are lacking characters - winners who have the convictions to strive for something better. Indeed, I would put United's recent improvement on the domestic scene down to the return of Gary Neville to first-team action. Despite what many people might think, Neville is a player with character, a top professional.

So many fans cannot acknowledge the true quality footballers, out of a dislike for the player or a hatred of the club that player plays for. Neville is a great example. I think he's an ar$ehole but he's a class full back and Utd and England aren't the same without him.
I just finished reading Keane's autobiography, for the third time, and its kinda hard not to agree with a lot of what he's done or stood up for.
Anywho back to the topic. I think it would be ludicrous to insinuate that Keane's arrival at Parkhead would have anything other than a positive effect on McGeady, O'Dea, O'Donnell (?) or any of the other Irish lads at Celtic.
18/12/2005, 6:35 AM
Plastic Paddy

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

I agree 100% with this post. Keane's influence on results was immense, both for ManU and Ireland. Anyone who could suggest that results have improved or will improve... are deluding themselves.

Over the twelve years, yes, Keane's influence was both positive and immense (I'm only referring to ManYoo here as certain aspects of his Ireland career are moot in that regard) and to deny such would be churlish; a bit like David Irving or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's denials of the Holocaust (although this forms rather an unfortunate comparison). My point was that at the end of his Old Trafford career his dressing-room influence seemed more malign than beneficial. Anyone who could suggest otherwise is deluding themselves... ;)

Anyway, back to topic. McGeady to score two today at Inverness. :D

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18/12/2005, 9:03 PM
Plastic Paddy

D'you know what? I really don't care enough about the issue to have to labour my point with you for the third time. I offer no real argument about Keane either way because I don't really care enough either way, whatever you may wish to think. I will though state that domestic football and European competition are mutually exclusive in real time, because you appear to conveniently forget it in your presentation of "the facts". It's totally possible to play well in one competition without necessarily doing so in the other. What's so illogical about that?

As it happens, all I did at the start this was recycle an observation I noticed that Paul Wilson had made in last week's Observer, which seemed plausible enough given the football I have seen ManYoo play in the Premiership since Keane's departure. If it's good enough for Wilson, a football journalist whose opinion I respect, then it tends to be good enough for me. I see no reason to change.

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18/12/2005, 9:24 PM
Fergie's Son

At this point, I don't give a fiddlers about Keane. He no longer plays for Ireland so he no longer interests me. If his playing for Celtic results in any Irish player getting less playing time then I will be upset. That's all the matters.

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