they'd go becuase they arent a cynical bunch of irish people...that's why :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
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they'd go becuase they arent a cynical bunch of irish people...that's why :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
Replace CHF with a club from Kerry. Simple reasoning. One club has no fans and would not be missed and the other has great potential. I think they got 3,000 in a U21 semi versus boez a few years back.
Unfortunately it is difficult enough to get enough fans going at present so increasing membership is a no no. Also if clubs are having trouble with UEFA licensing now what would it be like with new clubs?!
However think its good that the U21 league is including non league clubs.
Introducing clubs cos of a population explosion in the Polish and Chinese communities is the most bizarre suggestion ever!
KOH
It's worked in other countries, with other immigrant populations.... ;)
The Welsh FA tried to force them to join the League of Wales in 1992, and when they refused they banned them from playing in Wales. Hence Newport, Merthyr etc had to play home games in the English border counties until the legal case was sorted out 2 seasons later.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
The only penalty the WFA have against them now is that it refuses to nominate them for Europe - even if/when they win the Welsh FA Cup.
I think the non League of Wales clubs aren't allowed enter the FAW Cup but they invented the "Welsh Premier Cup" or something which these clubs can enter along with LOW clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Seems to have been created to allow the FAW make a few bob from a Swansea-Wrexham cup final without giving them a Euro place.
Is Newry nationalist then ? Cause if not it's unlikely they'd even consider leaving the IL.
I do seem to remember BTW that UEFA can put a veto against teams playing in Europe when they don't play in their own country's league. This is for example a matter that could come into debate soon if Liechtenstein's FC Vaduz would promote to the Swiss top division (they already came very close two times !)
I hope the teams aren't allowed to just switch national FAs. Think of the ridiculous situations it could bring. A Maltese team could just switch to the Italian league for example, where's the sense in that ?!
I am not sure at all, but I do seem to remember having read that for crossborder/exile clubs, UEFA has to approve. In case of Derry it was okay because they were not welcome anymore in their own league, in case of the three Welsh clubs in the English league it was approved because they were in it since the pre-Welsh League days, and in case of the Liechtenstein clubs it was approved because the country does not have any league itself.
Theres around 30,000 people living in Navan and Meath is a big county
surely theres room for an EL club there?
A few people from Meath seem to follow Dublin teams, Shels and Bohs both have a few from there afaik.
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Originally Posted by Slash/ED
yeah but they are mostly dublin people living in meath
there must be a market for all the meath people?
That's pretty much how I feel, I just wanted to know what other people thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
The problem with this hypothesis is that counties like Kerry, Wexford, Mayo, Tipp, Carlow, Cavan currently contribute nothing to the eL. Therefore, to add extra eL teams from these counties will in no way take away from the fans / resources of Cork, Bohs, Drogheda, Finn Harps. It would be different if you were going to add teams into an already competitive market (like CHF tried to do), but there is no eL competition to a club setting up in Tralee, Castlebar Wexford - it simply has to be self sufficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
The figures I quoted earlier are specifically NOT those for administrative boundaries. They are figures for actual urban areas. That is why Cork is listed as 179k rather than 123k, and Dublin is 965k rather than the 1million+ so often quoted [Dubliners, does this make you feel inadequate??] ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dapman1
The Welsh teams that play in the English pyramid system are allowed to play in the Welsh FA Cup, as they are based in that jurisdiction. However, the Welsh FA deliberately schedules the first rounds of the Welsh FA Cup games to clash directly with the first rounds of the English FA Cup games, forcing the Welsh exiles teams to choose (and they always choose England). The rules of both competitions bind you to 'send out your best team', so if they tried to play second strings in the early stages of the Welsh FA Cup they'd be pulled-up on this by the Welsh FA.Quote:
Originally Posted by paudie
Gerrit - Newry is very Catholic/Nationalist as a town... . Do some people in Belgium speak French....? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerrit
Yes and no. Each individual UEFA association is responsible for nominating its own reps for European competition, and UEFA doesn't interfere with this (ref the recent Liverpool CL saga, and Real Madrid's similar one a few years back). Hence - UEFA wouldn't exercise such a veto. However - the reason why a Welsh league was set-up was because the British associations are disproportionately represented on UEFA/FIFA governing bodies (they have a rotating permanent seat), and other football associations - particularly African ones - were starting to complain about this in the context of their under-representation and the lack of a Welsh League. Hence the Welsh FA pre-empted this criticism by setting one up in 1992.Quote:
Originally Posted by GERRIT
You mean like Monaco playing in France ? Vaduz in Leichtenstein ? Berwick in Scotland ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GERRIT
Not true at all - see my earlier post on this. Under EU restraint of trade laws, clubs of EU member countries can play in the league of any other EU member country, so long as the league they are looking to join accepts them. There was a test case taken by the Welsh exile clubs in the English High Court in 1994 that created this ruling. The reason more teams haven't switched around leagues is pressure between international football associations (ref : the Old Firm and England), but it will inevitably happen more and more (probably starting with Celtic and Rangers).Quote:
Originally Posted by GERRIT
A few years ago I heard that Belfast Celtic had applied for entry to the EL.
It was immediately rejected as they are from outside the jurasdiction.
Get your facts right crc, Rovers have a considerable following in Mayo and there could be fans from south Mayo who follow Galway, therefore if the Mayo league was promoted to the first division they could be eating away at our catchment area. A direct conflict of interset.Quote:
Originally Posted by crc
Touch of the urban myth about this Baker ? I don't recall this, and can't see why they would've applied to join the EL, rather than the IL. Assuming it did happen, however - I'd bet any such rejection was down to other reasons, rather than the jurisdiction one, as the law is very clear on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baker
Do a web search on the English High Court judgement by Judge/Lord Blackburn in the 1994 case of Newport Co et al v the FAW if you don't believe me. I don't lie.... :D
The full story of this case was all confirmed to me in person by a former President of the FAW, who was also a FIFA board member. Choose to disbelieve a High Court judge and former FIFA Board member on this if you will...
Anyways - as an aside, Belfast Celtic don't exist as a football club any more. They don't operate as a club, and don't have anywhere to play. As far as I'm aware, the copyright to the name 'Belfast Celtic' is also in the ownership of a Belfast bookie - possible Barney Eastwood - in which case they mightened even be able to even use the name. Donegal Celtic changing their name to Belfast Celtic would've been a very obvious thing to do years ago, yet it's strange that they haven't...