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True - hopes and dreams are the fuel for most football fans and are part of the magic of it all. Creating new expectations simply runs the risk of being disappointed if they are not achieved - I would rather travel in hope and beliefQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
What VP and his group have already achieved is tremendous.
Would Dundalk be able to do a Sligo Rovers and let the people of Dundalk raise the funds to buy the ground from the current owners with a proviso it only be used for sport and lease it rent free to the club, I understood that the family who own the ground are well disposed to the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
Oh and congrats to Dundalk, way way better than anyone else.
This leads to my question who owns the ground? Is it Des Casey? That would be the only way around the impasse. Do what Sligo Rovers did to their ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
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Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
How would a no-cost lease in place of a low-cost lease make ground redevelopment more feasible?
Des Casey (who is Honorary Club President) represents the Casey Family Trust who own the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
I am not sure what impasse you refer to other than the obvious one that the current owners are unlikely to borrow/invest the multiple millions required for Oriel Park re-development on the simple basis that they are unlikely to be able to get a Return on Investment
The Casey family own the ground and keeping the ownership away from the club has been a great source of protection for Oriel Park over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
However, I expect that if the ground was owned by the club it would not make any difference to the willingness of the owners to invest substantially. I read many comments on social media about "American owners" funding the team. That is way off the mark, the team is self funding through European prize money. The owners are not here to spend their money.
If the owner of Oriel present or future, see that the current owners of Oriel are making a lot of money from the club they might decide to have some themselves and seek a rent increase it is unlikely that the people of Dundalk would do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
If the club in invests in the ground that buried cost makes it easier for a landlord to seek higher rent from the club.
If Oriel is redeveloped by the tenants and the afterwards the owner gets an offer he can't refuse from developers ( and the club can't match that offer) the club may have wasted their money.
There are other reasons but you get the drift
Ok - so it's not the low-cost : no-cost lease that is the issue you are highlighting, but the security that the tenants have, especially in relation to ground improvements.Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
A long-term lease with a locked-in mechanism on rent increases (no /low increase / or inflation rate rent increase) and security against the property being sold meets the same needs
I don't believe for a moment that any of the above issues are the primary barriers to major stadium upgrades. Even if outright ground ownership was acquired in the morning, IMO there is no prospect of the owners investing millions in the ground on the simple basis that a Return on Investment would be improbable
Just recovered now from what was a super night at op on Monday evening and the subsequent celebrations
WHAT a seriously good game it was.How my heart held out:confused:
Fair play to Bradser/Shamrock Rovers for putting out their best side ahead of a massive cup game for them this w/e.Would have been easy to not do so,make excuses and run for the hills, but he done it. *applause*:cool:
Heading over to the Sligo game on Sunday,going to be tough and taking nothing for granted.Going to call a draw and Dundalk to win the replay.
Best wishes everyone #GreatestLeagueInTheWorld :love:
On wet nights, a lot of away fans who might otherwise, won't travel to Oriel. If they stuck a roof on the that section, they'd get an immediate return in terms of the numbers travelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Also the fact that the league was over meant people were not disposed to travelling.
For the avoidance of any doubt let me first emphasise that I would love to see improved facilities and more cover for both home and away fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohs11
But to suggest that a handful of additional away fans on a rainy night represents an "immediate return" is really missing the point on the concept of ROI
Being a two club county club, coupled with Dundalk's population means you're pretty hamstrung in terms of growing your home numbers.
You can easily grow the away numbers though, if you stuck a roof over it. You can knock off an average of 150 away fans from the Dublin clubs by the threat of getting píssed on. Over the course of a season with three Dublin clubs, paying €15 twice a year a year this adds up to €13.5k. Add on Shels and Drogheda next year and it could be €22.5k.
An 'immediate return' might be a stretch, but there is definitely a better return to be had on €80k for a roof, than sticking Gartland on the bench for half a season.
To be fair shams bring a big crowd to pretty much all games. One thing we can give out about 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover
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Originally Posted by Bohs11
You really got me thinking here.
A roof for 80k with a return on investment within 6 years. That would be brilliant!
Putting Brian Gartland on a 3 day week could work out after all
Has to be the easiest game in the Brandywell this season in the Derry city v Cork. After Derry scored the game was over as a contest. It seemed like the Cork players just lost interest. Crazy to see a team who have challenged for trophies for 6 years get so naff so quickly.
A great 3 points for Derry and puts us into 3rd place and the guaranteed European spot.
Hard to believe last December Derry city only had 4 players signed!
Naff was meant to be bad*
Final score was Derry city 4 Cork city 0.
Did Fenn look comfortable in the dugout Candystripe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
with Dundalk win yesterday I think 4th now also gets Europe ? Still lots to play for this season for Derry, Bohs and Pats ! 4-0 should be an unacceptable result for a still fairly costly Cork side but their players seem to have given up. Cork unfortunately seem to be Bohs bogey side in recent seasons and we play them next week.Would appreciate another 'naff' performance on Friday, we need all the help we can get :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
Cork were dreadful on Friday night. The players just looked like they couldn't be bothered.
It reminded me of how we were last season. Pathetic really.
Didn't notice Fenn much, but he'll have some job on his hands over the off-season. If I were a Cork fan, I'd be wanting a clear out.
Fingers crossed. It's prabably impossible to sign a whole new starting 11 that would be challenging towards the top, so retaining some of the current squad might have to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
The fewer the better hopefully.