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14/04/2005, 7:01 AM
Ringo

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Originally Posted by mypost

Regardless of all of the above, Rovers are a special case, because we don't have our own ground. Everyone else does. They all have a base to support themselves financially, whereas we have nothing. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in, if we had the (relative) luxury of being able to play our home games, in our own ground. As our only income is from charity, goodwill, and handouts, we are entitled to special treatment, from the various authorities. When we are in a position to be able to play by the same rules as everyone else, we will.

Can we have special treatment too so :rolleyes:. Your owners sold your ground. Most clubs lease their grounds rather than owning them.
14/04/2005, 9:44 AM
monkey magic

so can we now take it that tallaght stadium is dead and buried? who owns that land? what r de chances of another el club taking up that project... say, for instance shels, who appear to be on de move anyways? it id be a pity if tallaght were to remain without an el club- its got massive potential as a hotbed for football in this country.

btw it id be a pity if rovers were to dissapear like drumcondra did, but theres no way that they shud be allowed continue as they were after this mess is cleaned up. at least an automatic relegation should be in order
14/04/2005, 9:45 AM
Caleb

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Originally Posted by mypost

Regardless of all of the above, Rovers are a special case, because we don't have our own ground. Everyone else does. They all have a base to support themselves financially, whereas we have nothing. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in, if we had the (relative) luxury of being able to play our home games, in our own ground. As our only income is from charity, goodwill, and handouts, we are entitled to special treatment, from the various authorities. When we are in a position to be able to play by the same rules as everyone else, we will.

Rovers have had special treatment for over 15 years - i think you have used up your entitlement. Its about time you were treated the same as all the other clubs in the league.
14/04/2005, 9:52 AM
Clones Road Cas

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Originally Posted by mypost

Regardless of all of the above, Rovers are a special case, because we don't have our own ground. Everyone else does. They all have a base to support themselves financially, whereas we have nothing. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in, if we had the (relative) luxury of being able to play our home games, in our own ground. As our only income is from charity, goodwill, and handouts, we are entitled to special treatment, from the various authorities. When we are in a position to be able to play by the same rules as everyone else, we will.

Id be amazed if that logic was applied to any of the div 1 teams. If the 2m in debt fig is correct then its completely unacceptable. I woudnt want rovers to shut, but you cant just sweep it under the rug and say, oh yes but we qualify under all the license headings.
14/04/2005, 10:39 AM
Passive

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Originally Posted by Ringo

No it s not & no it doeent happen all the time in the business, in most cases its against the law. Its not a football team thing, it happened between two business's, that are supposed to regulated :rolleyes: by The eircom League. It wouldn't happen in any other country in the world.

Oh for God's sake would you get over it. Roddy was not under contract at Dublin City and was free to talk to any potential employer. For your information, Roddy is not under contract at Rovers either and he can leave us whenever he wants. If Dublin City poached him tomorrow morning no one at Rovers would care because we would realise that he had no contract and he merely exercised his right to take up a new job.
How is it against the law to employ someone who was not contracted to any other business? In fact, I don't even want to hear your answer because you're boring me.
14/04/2005, 11:16 AM
drummerboy

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Originally Posted by monkey magic

btw it id be a pity if rovers were to dissapear like drumcondra did, but theres no way that they shud be allowed continue as they were after this mess is cleaned up. at least an automatic relegation should be in order

Drumcondra reached the 3rd round of FAI Cup last season. So still alive and kicking in Morton Stadium.
14/04/2005, 11:49 AM
Ringo

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Originally Posted by Passive

Oh for God's sake would you get over it. Roddy was not under contract at Dublin City and was free to talk to any potential employer. For your information, Roddy is not under contract at Rovers either and he can leave us whenever he wants. If Dublin City poached him tomorrow morning no one at Rovers would care because we would realise that he had no contract and he merely exercised his right to take up a new job.
How is it against the law to employ someone who was not contracted to any other business? In fact, I don't even want to hear your answer because you're boring me.

Players he signed refused to play games for us. He knew he was leaving & there was no way he was going to relegate the team he was going to. The fact the we beat Derry forced his had & he had to leave. he was caught out. Rovers fans don't want to listen to the truth. Get your heads out if you A$re and sort yourselves out, stop whining and live in the real world. The "were Rovers , we have to be part of the league", $hite is for the birds. Get your act together or your gone.
14/04/2005, 12:29 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Players he signed refused to play games for us. He knew he was leaving & there was no way he was going to relegate the team he was going to. The fact the we beat Derry forced his had & he had to leave. he was caught out. Rovers fans don't want to listen to the truth. Get your heads out if you A$re and sort yourselves out, stop whining and live in the real world. The "were Rovers , we have to be part of the league", $hite is for the birds. Get your act together or your gone.

Was it a Rovers conspiracy that you were sh�te all season?
14/04/2005, 12:51 PM
NY Hoop

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Players he signed refused to play games for us. He knew he was leaving & there was no way he was going to relegate the team he was going to. The fact the we beat Derry forced his had & he had to leave. he was caught out. Rovers fans don't want to listen to the truth. Get your heads out if you A$re and sort yourselves out, stop whining and live in the real world. The "were Rovers , we have to be part of the league", $hite is for the birds. Get your act together or your gone.

Passive has just told you the truth. RODDY DID NOT HAVE A CONTRACT. We are sorting ourselves out and we do live in the real world as opposed to "lets start a club with no fans and whinge, moan and complain when we get relegated" effort.

Without Rovers it would be a poorer league. FACT. Higgins and the rest of the Rovers haters know this but cant bring themselves to accept it. The only thing for the birds is your joke of a club. We are getting our act together. What the hell do you think we're doing now with the examinership which was proposed by the fans cos the board wanted to continue racking up debts?

Ringo you should change your name to obsessed. If we got all your posts together I'd swear you have more posts on Rovers than eh whatever-your-joke-club-is-called-these-daysFC.

KOH
14/04/2005, 12:54 PM
Passive

Ringo, you're boring me. Run along.
14/04/2005, 1:55 PM
LFC in Exile

Rovers have a great tradition, but if they did go out of business then so what? Since the start of the league nearly a third of the titles have been won by teams now out of the league - 10 teams(Many reborn in new titles like Limerick United, Cork Whatever). In Northern Ireland? One team (Belfast Celtic) and their departure was not due to bad management bu sectarianism. In England no teams that won the league in the same time frame have left the league.

It would be a shame if Rovers went out of business - it would be a shame if any of the league clubs went out of business. My own club was very very close to it recently. But no club has a right to exist or a right to special treatment. If it happens we'll all be sad for a day or two and then the league goes on. Its happened with all of the other clubs down the years.
14/04/2005, 2:22 PM
Ringo

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Passive has just told you the truth. RODDY DID NOT HAVE A CONTRACT. We are sorting ourselves out and we do live in the real world as opposed to "lets start a club with no fans and whinge, moan and complain when we get relegated" effort.

Without Rovers it would be a poorer league. FACT. Higgins and the rest of the Rovers haters know this but cant bring themselves to accept it. The only thing for the birds is your joke of a club. We are getting our act together. What the hell do you think we're doing now with the examinership which was proposed by the fans cos the board wanted to continue racking up debts?

Ringo you should change your name to obsessed. If we got all your posts together I'd swear you have more posts on Rovers than eh whatever-your-joke-club-is-called-these-daysFC.

KOH

Your great , run up 2.5 million & then decide to do something about it. Cop on. Your going out of business. You have no chance of paying back the money. slagging of other clubs that are playing by the rules & not living beyond their meens is sad. Make the most of your next few games, their going to be your last in the league for a long time. :D
14/04/2005, 2:23 PM
Ringo

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Originally Posted by Passive

Ringo, you're boring me. Run along.

Truth hurts, say goodbye to everyone as you leave :p
14/04/2005, 2:28 PM
Slash/ED

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slagging of other clubs that are playing by the rules

Sort of like your pathetic bitter whinging over Roddy Collins I'd imagine.

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so can we now take it that tallaght stadium is dead and buried?

Where do you get this from? The SDCC has recently, as in the past few days, announced again that they will be building the stadium and Rovers will be anchor tennants. If there are no complications with planning permission building will start later this year.
14/04/2005, 2:38 PM
manic da hoop

Shamrock Rovers will survive. Our ability to defy the odds, which is more or less what we have been doing for the past 18 years, is part of what makes us such a great club. It is something that sets us apart from all the lesser clubs people talk about that have gone by the wayside down through the years. If you think Shamrock Rovers is just about the number of leagues or cups we've notched up over the past 80 years then you are very wrong. It is about so much more than that. It is about all the people who see it as a great institution, something that should remain part of this city and part of their lives forever. This club cannot die because there are simply too many people who simply cannot allow that to happen. They were there at The Plaza on Monday night, they'll be in Drogheda tomorrow. Don't spend too much time thinking about though, somebody who follows Dublin City couldn't possibly understand such a concept.
14/04/2005, 2:43 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Make the most of your next few games, their going to be your last in the league for a long time. :D

Daft comment, this is hardly a time for schadenfr�ude. This could happen to any club.
14/04/2005, 2:43 PM
Ringo

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Originally Posted by manic da hoop

Shamrock Rovers will survive. Our ability to defy the odds, which is more or less what we have been doing for the past 18 years, is part of what makes us such a great club. It is something that sets us apart from all the lesser clubs people talk about that have gone by the wayside down through the years. If you think Shamrock Rovers is just about the number of leagues or cups we've notched up over the past 80 years then you are very wrong. It is about so much more than that. It is about all the people who see it as a great institution, something that should remain part of this city and part of their lives forever. This club cannot die because there are simply too many people who simply cannot allow that to happen. They were there at The Plaza on Monday night, they'll be in Drogheda tomorrow. Don't spend too much time thinking about though, somebody who follows Dublin City couldn't possibly understand such a concept.

Stop , you'll have me crying in a minute :p
14/04/2005, 2:44 PM
Ringo

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Originally Posted by Schumi

Daft comment, this is hardly a time for schadenfr�ude. This could happen to any club.

If rovers fans want to slag of fans of other clubs , they have to expect some back. there 21 other teams in the league.
14/04/2005, 2:46 PM
Ringo

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Where do you get this from? The SDCC has recently, as in the past few days, announced again that they will be building the stadium and Rovers will be anchor tennants. If there are no complications with planning permission building will start later this year.

Rovers will have to survive to be an anchor tenant. could you not lend them some of the 20million your getting for Tolka ;)
14/04/2005, 3:00 PM
Derek

I have no problems with the whole Roddy-gate shambles, that is old news. As an Eircom league supporter and Dublin City supporter I think it would be a shame if Rovers go bang, but that is the way football is, it can be crule sometimes.

If rovers fans ask nicely than we may take pity on you and let you join our ranks when and if you end up with no club to follow :)

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