Delaney is a non-issue. He clearly isn't committed. Constantly referring to him having questioned the commitment of someone like Jonny Walters (and others) in the past really does serve to discredit an opinion.
Delaney is a non-issue. He clearly isn't committed. Constantly referring to him having questioned the commitment of someone like Jonny Walters (and others) in the past really does serve to discredit an opinion.
from http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-34741106.html
Well, that's that cleared up.Quote:
O’Neill has cut Paul McShane, Jonny Hayes, Alex Pearce and Anthony Pilkington from his provisional 35-man squad, while newcomer Callum O’Dowda is here to gain experience for the long term
To me that smacks of a reailisation, acceptance even admittance on MONs part that he will be more proactive in the future with young lads getting them into the setup, for what reasons? Well it can't be anything other than the Grealish incident. As he always previously stated there was no rushing or begging players to play for Ireland. He obviously thinks this is a way of turning their heads, without being seen to beg them. Its a good strategy and it another measurement of his ability to adapt or put the hand up.
There's the makings of a very eloquent, clear and to the point breakfast time question for the management team there, Paul. Well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Or maybe it could be for the reasons that he's actually stated. Far-fetched, I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
MO'N was hyper proactive with Grealish (and family) to get him into the senior set up, in contrast to his chilled out, laissex-faire proactive approach with O'Dowda.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...es-401460.htmlQuote:
There was a brief shadow cast on a sun-splashed open training session in front of a few thousand squealing school-children at the Aviva yesterday when Shane Long was seen to withdraw from the action with an apparent injury.
However, it was later indicated that it was a minor issue relating to his knee and that the curtailment of his involvement was purely precautionary.
Gary Rogers training with the team again today: https://twitter.com/OCowzer/status/735410151717502977
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That's both baffling and outrageous.
Surely Given, Randolph and Forde is sufficient until Westwood is able to join up with the squad?
I think Doyle is taking a gamble by remaining in America. It's a chance for McGoldrick to overtake him in O'Neill's thoughts - and it looks like he may have already done that.
Isn't Forde with the Millwall team ahead of the play off final?
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Yep, from the42.ie: http://www.the42.ie/its-not-just-me-...84772-May2016/
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However, with Westwood and Forde both unavailable in the coming days due to play-off commitments with their clubs, Given is expected to get one last chance to remind Martin O’Neill of his talents as Ireland prepare for friendlies against the Netherlands and Belarus.
Oh yeah. Then it makes sense calling Rogers up. Especially with Given's tendency to get injured reading the morning newspaper.
Well not sure we can believe the journo who covered on this one, but the horse had already bolted by that stage, so the laissex-faire non proactive approach wouldn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
You alluded that MO'N wasn't pro active enough with Grealish and now had learned from that mistake, evidenced by his treatment of O'Dowda.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
The recorded facts are that MO'N was very proactive with getting young Grealish to commit and had invited him to join up with the senior squad (before Grealish's time) on a number of different occasions plus visited his family and probably other contact was made which is not a matter of public record.
The horse being bolted wasn't anything to do with what you're talking about there.
I was referring to this(i know i know) - where John Fallon originally said he would have accepted a call up to the summer tour to the US http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...es-tenure.html
Had Grealish got the call in the summer of 2014, this entire saga could well have been avoided. From the outset, however, O’Neill has been reactionary rather than proactive
It was only after Grealish starred in the FA Cup semi-final win over Liverpool in April that he finally realised what was on offer. By that stage, it was too late.
from john fallon:
With four friendlies, including two in America, arranged for May/June 2014, latitude for experimentation was there for O’Neill to utilise in the lead-up to the Euro 2016 qualifiers commencing in September. Grealish wasn’t deemed worthy of being part of that process, even as a fringe player
I know Delores or Di had pointed out that fallon had contradicted himself somewhat, but the point I am making is the scenario was less important in 2014 when we had nothing to play for when a player playing league 2 wasnt selected for meaningless friendlies, however going into our euro campaign that now seems to have changed. It can't purely be because O'Neill believes O'Dowda to be better than Grealish was.
There's no relation between the O'Dowda call-up and Grealish for me. Calling up O'Dowda is a continuation of calling up the best U21 players - Byrne and Browne - to see how they acquit themselves without the pressure of being in the actual squad.
I'd agree that O'Neill is being more proactive with regards our future talent, I'd disagree that it has anything to do with Grealish. If anything, that whole episode may have put him off chasing guys who might not be fully committed as it turned out to be a waste of his time. He has fully explained the O'Dowda call up at this stage and I see no reason to suggest ulterior motives*, especially considering he's done the same with 'fully' Irish players in recent squads, as Charlie says.
(*major bonus if he turns out to be the next Gareth Bale and we have him tied)
You're basing the opinion that O'Neill did not do enough on that article? "Had Grealish got the call up" is a 100% airy fairy argument and even if Grealish had been called up (June 2014) and capped, he would not have been tied.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
O'Neill confirmed in August 2014 "I spoke to his father, I spoke to Jack and he's a young kid coming through with a lot of potential and I think they just want to take a little bit of time."He's felt comfortable playing underage level but it's a totally different thing committing at senior level."It was a decent conversation and I think I'll just leave it at that at the moment." Nevertheless he continued to play for the u21s
The cup semi final was in April 2015.Quote:
It was only after Grealish starred in the FA Cup semi-final win over Liverpool in April that he finally realised what was on offer. By that stage, it was too late
O'Neill did everything as expected with Grealish and some.
O'Dowda is 21 years old and finished with the u21s. There is nothing new happening here with O'Neill's general approach, both situations are different
My understanding is that he was on the verge of accepting a May/June 2015 call up but did a u-turn late on, forcing O'Neill to delay the squad announcement. If that's right it'd make 2014 largely irrelevant.
I would have thought that the outcome of O'Neill's discussion with Grealish in August 2014 was very relevant to subsequent events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88