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agreed. I have no problem with genuine celtic fans (as i have repeatedly pointed out) but i do have major issues with the idiots who see wearing a hooped jersey as their contribution to "the cause" when they hardly know what the cause really isQuote:
Originally Posted by Bondvillain
well if he is playing for Rangers he'll be at a huge club. unlike HarteQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
no prob with themQuote:
Originally Posted by davros
Further to other comments. Yes my reference was at the minority of Celtic fans who indulge in sectarian or racial abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsyfella
It is not ok to Boo players because of the club they play(ed) for. Neither is it ok to hurl sectarian abuse at them. If it continues we may well end up with a far bigger fine than the derisory one handed out to Spain this week or much worse.
I know many decent Celtic fans. but there is also a scum element ttached to the club in this country and presumably in Scotland as well.
If it was to happen, I'd say fair play to McLeish for breaking down barriers but in all honesty I'd put my mortgage on it not happening.
The powers that be at Ibrox could never allow it due to the uproar it would cause...people ripping up season tickets etc. It would hit the club in the pocket so it's a non starter. The player would just be tormented non stop with abuse from BOTH sides of the Old Firm. It really would be unbearable and I'd go as far as saying the player involved would almost certainly receive numerous amounts of death threats.
For those of you that don't live in Scotland this might seem an exageration, but there really would be war.
Why would it be such a problem in Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Surely Mo Jo was a far bigger issue. Plenty of RCs have played for Rangers since incl many Scottish RCs. Why would an Irish player be more of a problem (no idea what his religion is btw).
i can imagine how it would cause problems for some Celtic fans and no doubt half of Glasgow would loathe him but they hardly like Dado Prso or Nacho Novo as it is.
I'm more concerned re the minority of bigots who follow us that would have problems with it and hopefully we may even see the back of them. A lot of the racism disappeared from English football when all clubs had black players.
watch how the Rangers fans react to Richie Foran or Noel Hunt next time they play there and tell me....Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
as for Celtic fans, particularly the Irish ones, they would find it hard to understand why a player from Ireland would want to be seen anywhere near Ibrox. I, for one, could not understand it, and know of some internationals who would never even consider it.
many? em a couple perhaps... but it's not all about religion. it's about joining a club with an inherent hatred of all things Irish. I'm sure you really get it,but you're trying hard to be objective and treat Rangers as though they were Southampton or Norwich... i.e. ordinary fc's...Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
'bigots' - why? becasuse they hate Rangers? seriously if you want to be less simplistic about the tags and labels you use this would be a far more interesting thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
You seem to suggest that all the problems in the OF would dissipate when an Irishman plays for Rangers!! what exactly would that achieve? what did MoJo change? is it different?
I bet, like Rangers sympathisers, you blame Catholic schools for the bigotry in Scotland. Even that found in Ibrox....
Bigotry exists in Scottish football and there is no good in pointing fingers. Educate the kids and save them from narrow-mindedness. Ban the fans who chant sectarian songs for life. One Catholic piece of white trash looks very much like another piece of Protestant white trash - there isn't a Christian among them.
I have a hunch it might be Matt Holland.
amen to that sir. very well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by 1MickCollins
I'm not sure thats true, has this not alreday been tried with Maurice Johnston?
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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Well said MC. Education is the only way forward in this situation. Unfortunately some people seem to enjoy it so much that they are unable or unwilling to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1MickCollins
Who does our refer to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silvio
Im glad you cleared that one up, It was kind of a general "our".Quote:
Originally Posted by Silvio
I thought it was the whole 'All Ireland Loves the Celts' tripe coming up again.
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Originally Posted by gypsyfella
Personally, i blame the sh*theads on the terraces who wont let it lie.
I think there should be a new Celtic v Rangers/ Fianna Fail v Fine Gael/ Sinn Fein forum inline with a new ignore forum feature.
For what its worth i'd thought Stephen McPhail had gone for a trial with Rangers before Leeds signed him up.
It would be a huge problem because of the nature of Rangers fans. As has been pointed out, it is a fact that they roundly boo and scream abuse at ANY Irish player that plays for an opposing team at Ibrox.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
While both sets of support have narrow minded scumbags, it is my opinion that Rangers are far worse than the Celtic fans.
Take Neil Lennon, he is despised because he is a Catholic that plays/played for Northern Ireland, plain and simple. Rangers are a club that proudly show off their Protestant links and their love of the Crown /Britain. No problem there, Celtic display their their links to Ireland and Catholicism.
The difference being that by that logic, Celtic, you would expect to hate all things English and anyone Protestant from Northern Ireland. But nothing could be further from the truth, we have English protestants playing for us, even English internationals and I've never heard anything even mentioned about it. I can only gauge the opinion of other supporters and myself in saying that should a Protestant Northern Ireland international sign for Celtic, it wouldn't even warrant a line in a newspaper or an eyelid batted.
Therein lies the difference, because it is certain that Rangers fans would go off their heads should a Catholic Irish international sign. Fair enough they burned a bridge with Mo Johnston but there was uproar at the time and it took a long time for a lot of fans to come around to it. I know a couple of Rangers fans (not even that hardcore) who say that at the time the ripped up their season books.
Taking it that further step now would be a bridge too far for a lot of them, not all of course but a majority IMO.
Actually Celtic have had NI protestants in the past - Allen McKnight and I believe Bertie Peacock.
Most fans of all clubs will take any player that plays for them with commitment to their hearts. Yes you had buys burning their season tickets when Mo Jo signed for Rangers. That was really breaking the mould - a former Celtic player, RC who had blessed himself in front of the Rangers fans. An RoI International (even if probably RC) is hardly in the same mould. I'm not aware of any problems with Neil McCann for example.
BTW I know there is a sectarian element to the Rangers support. I know the sing sectarian songs. they are not like Southampton or Norwich however Celtic are the same. In the past Rangers may have been worse but the term "Old Firm" was coined 100 years ago as even then both clubs were working together and playing the sectarian angle to improve their profile.
Even if this transfer doesn't happen an Irish International will sign for Rangers at some stage. No it won't make any difference to the Celtic/Rangers thing as a Swede is still a Fenian bast%^d and a Croat is still a dirty hun in some moron's eyes.
BTW if you want some support read the Rangers and NI messageboards where the same argument is going on re a minority or bigots who think it is ok to abuse Celtic players who play for NI, bring Rangers flags to games
So what happens if they sign Stephen Carr lets say, would they applaud him on the park but still scream vile abuse at i.e. Noel Hunt when Dunfermline come to town. Methinks not.
As I said a lot of their support would accept it and get behind the player but the majority of support would be against it.
Have you ever lived in Scotland at all? I ask not cheekily, but only because you put your points across as if it's no big deal and they would just get on with it ala Sol Campbell's move from Spurs to Arsenal.
The Old Firm is unlike any rivalry in the world, as long as religion is involved there is always going to be hatred and if you lived in Scotland or espeically Glasgow you would understand that this would be no easy undertaking.
Agreed. Happy Christmas to ye all lads :)