Dundalk Fined For Palestine Flag at Euro Game

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Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter

How badly are all these fines going to affect Dundalk going into next season?

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Shoudln't effect them at all. They'll get €250k from their 2 euroepan games and they'll likely win the league giving them another €100k. while €18k is huge for a LOI club, Dundalk are in a position to pay it this year (I'd imagine the money will just be deducted from their UEFA payments)

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except UEFA/FIFA are idiots, detached from reality. There is more to the world than their precious rules.
As for sport and politics not 'mixing', good luck with that...

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they're detached from Reality and yet you want Dundalk to not pay it. "End of."? You're a big fan of the ROI national team, do you think it's a good idea for the FAI to ignore UEFA?

Geysir has already pointed out the rule. You can point to national flags all you want, but every single person knows why that flag was being flown. The fact that the UEFA delegate instructed Dundalk to take them down, and Dundalk complied with that, shows that Dundalk acknowledge it as a political thing. They should have removed the flags completely and not allowed fans the chance to fly them at a later stage of the game. That's effectively what they've been sanctioned for; the ego of 1/2 fans that thought they could do what they liked.

The fans standing thing isn't merely for standing but for occupying an area of the ground that can't be used (behind the goal in oriel). Bit of naivety there maybe from Dundalk stewards/officials.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

they're detached from Reality and yet you want Dundalk to not pay it. "End of."?
You're a big fan of the ROI national team, do you think it's a good idea for the FAI to ignore UEFA?

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If only they would. And hope Palestinian flags get brought to every Ireland game, indefinitely.

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Geysir has already pointed out the rule. You can point to national flags all you want, but every single person knows why that flag was being flown. The fact that the UEFA delegate instructed Dundalk to take them down, and Dundalk complied with that, shows that Dundalk acknowledge it as a political thing. They should have removed the flags completely and not allowed fans the chance to fly them at a later stage of the game. That's effectively what they've been sanctioned for; the ego of 1/2 fans that thought they could do what they liked.

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Except the rule is wrong. And gross hypocrisy...by the gnomes of Zurich.

If only the same authorities clamped down with equal fervour on Israeli/Zionist emblems, who incidentally aren't even in Europe...
Or other fascist regalia displayed right across the continent.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except UEFA/FIFA are idiots, detached from reality. There is more to the world than their precious rules.
As for sport and politics not 'mixing', good luck with that...

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Well I can manage to keep the two seperated and a lot of clubs and supporters do too. It's terrible what is going on in the Middle East but what has it got to do with football? And why only Palestine? Why not bring Kurdistan flags? What is going on with the ISIS is a lot worse than what is going on in Israel/Gaza. Why not protest against things happen ing Ireland? For a lot of people football is a escape from the world around them and not everyone is bother about current affairs.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

If only they would. And hope Palestinian flags get brought to every Ireland game, indefinitely.



Except the rule is wrong. And gross hypocrisy...by the gnomes of Zurich.

If only the same authorities clamped down with equal fervour on Israeli/Zionist emblems, who incidentally aren't even in Europe...
Or other fascist regalia displayed right across the continent.

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I'll bring my Irish flag to Ireland games because I'm there to support the Irish national team not a political cause. What has the Palestinian flag got to do with ROI? What about any Jewish or pro-Israel fans? Can they bring their flags? What Iona Institude?

As I explained, the Star of David flags are to do with Ajax and Spurs Jewish roots, not support for Israel. A bit like the tricolour with Celtic. And UEFA have down of teams who display far-right flags and displays at matches. Russia were fined during Euro 2012 for a nationalist flag and a Croatian player was banned for saying a quote from a fascist Croatian leader.

It's getting even better.

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Originally Posted by Shed Side Army

In recent weeks Dundalk FC fans (In common with many other fans throughout sport in general and the UEFA area in particular) have displayed flags of Palestine in solidarity with 4 children murdered playing football on a beach in Palestine. Palestine is a FIFA affiliated nation and the flag is the flag of a sovereign nation. In Ireland citizens have a Constitutional right of freedom of expression. This right does not vanish at a football turnstile. There are unsubstantiated reports that UEFA are seeking to victimise this small club for displaying these flags with a gigantic 18,000 euro fine. Dundalk fans involved have sought and got legal advice on this matter and a number of fans have now pledged to fight any UEFA infringement of their fundamental Constitutional right to free expression should it materialise.

Dundalk fans involved also call upon fans of other clubs to make their views on this matter known to UEFA and to defend the basic rights of fellow fans to express their rights within the bounds of the law in this way.

If football is to remain a game of the people this alleged threatened bullying of a small club by UEFA must be faced down and Dundalk fans involved pledge to do so at whatever personal cost.

SSA-Shed Side Army.

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Except no-one says you have to wave any flag...as for the Palestinian cause people are acknowledging decades of persecution but have no problems myself with the Kurdish or similar, flags.

And plenty of fascist regalia, especially in, but not exclusively, E.Europe. Including ironically, 'support' for Israel!!!

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except no-one says you have to wave any flag...as for the Palestinian cause people are acknowledging decades of persecution but have no problems myself with the Kurdish or similar, flags.

And plenty of fascist regalia, especially in, but not exclusively, E.Europe. Including ironically, 'support' for Israel!!!

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At an UEFA organised match?

But again, what has this got to do with football?

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

It's getting even better.

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To right. The SSA should pay the fine not Dundalk FC. ;)

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Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat

At an UEFA organised match?

But again, what has this got to do with football?

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The real world is bigger than any sport. Some of us live in it...

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

The real world is bigger than any sport. Some of us live in it...

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A pity then none of them and presumably yourself gave a euro or two to the red cross appeal or protested outside the Israeli embassy there a few weeks back and got actively involved in legitimate ways to protest. Sure we'll wave a flag at a football match, that'll show them.

edit, knowing Maxi he probably expects an invitation to chair the Israel/ Palestine peace talks, after that he can move on to Syria and Iraq, possibly the Ukraine then as well if he has the time in his hectic schedule.

Except I have chief. Never make assumptions...though protest at any sporting event is legitimate.
:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Except I have chief. Never make assumptions...though protest at any sporting event is legitimate.
:rolleyes:

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Fair play to you then so, I was there myself, those in question sure as hell weren't and haven't. But sure waving a flag at a match under the jurisdiction of an apolitical organisation that outright states in its rules that football is not to be politicised and have a history of fining/ banning clubs and countries for doing that exact thing, makes all the difference doesn't it?

In this case, yes. Look at how it's made the news and UEFA look like the shower of ***** we all knew they always were.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

The real world is bigger than any sport. Some of us live in it...

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Ok. I agree. But what does it have to do with football? Why bring politics into football? What has Palestine got to do with Dundalk FC? If it was against an Israeli team I'd understand.

UEFA aren't just picking on Dundalk. Israeli and Ukranian clubs are banned from playing at home. Maribor, Besiktas, Steaua Bucharest and Debrecen have all been fined for the same thing.

Why not? The real world is bigger than any sport.

And just because UEFA have fined other clubs, doesn't make it right either. When they clamp down on fascist regalia will take them more seriously. Until then, they can GTF.

So the opinion now seems to be that those in Dundalk, Sligo and Derry who expressed their horror of the slaughter of children by Israel in Gazza was down to ego and poor education. Maybe, but I am old enough to remember when South Africa was an apartheid state and the most effective action in Ireland at the time was taken by shop girls who worked in Dunnes. The ANC was a terrorist organisation and many well educated people at the time did not agree with a boycott and saw the situation as more complicated than a simple struggle for human rights for the native black people. Just like the actions of Israel many at the time saw some justification for apartheid.
Again have a look at the Norris piece on youtube.
Agree with dodge the 18k fine is not a big deal for Dundalk, it is only two and half weeks wages for the FAI CEO, but I still hope they appeal and maybe cause some discomfort to those who want to turn a blind eye to the plight of the people in Gazza.

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Originally Posted by wonder88

So the opinion now seems to be that those in Dundalk, Sligo and Derry who expressed their horror of the slaughter of children by Israel in Gazza was down to ego and poor education. Maybe, but I am old enough to remember when South Africa was an apartheid state and the most effective action in Ireland at the time was taken by shop girls who worked in Dunnes. The ANC was a terrorist organisation and many well educated people at the time did not agree with a boycott and saw the situation as more complicated than a simple struggle for human rights for the native black people. Just like the actions of Israel many at the time saw some justification for apartheid.
Again have a look at the Norris piece on youtube.
Agree with dodge the 18k fine is not a big deal for Dundalk, it is only two and half weeks wages for the FAI CEO, but I still hope they appeal and maybe cause some discomfort to those who want to turn a blind eye to the plight of the people in Gazza.

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No one is turning a blind eye to Gaza. There's a time and place for protests. Thousands marched all over Europe in support of Gaza. But UEFA do think a football stadium is the right place for politicial protest.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Why not? The real world is bigger than any sport.

And just because UEFA have fined other clubs, doesn't make it right either. When they clamp down on fascist regalia will take them more seriously. Until then, they can GTF.

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UEFA have clamped down on fascist regalia. Clubs know before the competitions start that there is a code of conduct that they have to follow.

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Originally Posted by wonder88

Agree with dodge the 18k fine is not a big deal for Dundalk, it is only two and half weeks wages for the FAI CEO, but I still hope they appeal and maybe cause some discomfort to those who want to turn a blind eye to the plight of the people in Gazza.

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This is one of my all time favourite typos.

No wonder he's looking rough if he has people living in him.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...s_3014834b.jpg

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Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat

UEFA have clamped down on fascist regalia. Clubs know before the competitions start that there is a code of conduct that they have to follow.

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They haven't, they really haven't.

http://www.farenet.org/news/
for a small taster.