Ronan seery says city fans are no better than lowlife scum

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

It wasn't a big deal (when you know what kind of people are involved and what to expect, at least), but it was far from "nothing". What you people don't seem to realise about "banter" is that it's a two-way process. When one party doesn't participate or indicates that the other's behaviour is unwelcome, it becomes at best boorishness, at worst outright abuse. And when so much as a finger is laid on the second party, it can turn very nasty very quickly (and possibly constitutes assault; not that I'd be petty enough to pursue that, but I think it's a correct interpretation of the law.)

I've seen less provocation result in far more serious consequences, many, many times.

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why dont u repeat all this to your chairman

if it was gonna get serious ,it would have been entirely his fault ;)

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Actually, it doesn't prove anything of the sort. Remember, Rovers fans are convinced they're angels too. As for NY Hoop (as anyone who frequented the old eL MB will know), he's unusually bitter even for a Hoop and has a fixation with DCFC in general and me in particular, I think there must be some Freudian explanation (hate to go ad hominem, Adam, but I suspect this thread is heading bye-byes because of the "loser" comment above anyway.)

So just before it does, I'd like to suggest a way in which you and your mates might cement your new-found friendship with Rovers fans. Behave towards them as you did towards me after you next meeting, and come back on here to tell us all about it (if you still can.)

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Firstly I havent been on the EL mb in years. Secondly dont flatter yourself as I dont have a fixation on you or your, eh, club. And we know we're NOT angels. I just went on here because a fellow Hooper went to the game and said that seery had gone behind the goal and that the city fans were just having a laugh.

As a Rovers fan I know what it's like to be accused of something that we're not. See a certain evening newspaper last april so just posted here on what I had been told.

As colm said football is all about banter and they did come into the H&J and guess what? They didnt get killed. We sang the traitor song for them and I didnt see any of them leaving crying. I remember city fans coming into the Horse Show House the day we got the League trophy in 94 and while they got some major league slagging everyone was saying fair play to them. Also I know some city fans living up here and while we give each other absolute dogs abuse we know what each other sacrifices to support our team.

What I'm saying is you do need to get more and stop leading such a sheltered life. I mean your comment about tom the gom defies belief. "When tom the gom reckons you've gone too far, you've gone too far"!!! As for your last post :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Lastly why should'nt the cork fans be allowed behind the goal? It's the same price for the whole ground and I know I prefer to stand behind the goal.

At least next season you wont have these problems as the monaghan casuals have stopped going!

KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

As a Rovers fan I know what it's like to be accused of something that we're not.

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Yeah...I believe someone called ye a football side once.... :D

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

It wasn't a big deal (when you know what kind of people are involved and what to expect, at least), but it was far from "nothing".

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Well, I guess if you knew what a crowd was you'd be used to it.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

What you people don't seem to realise about "banter" is that it's a two-way process. When one party doesn't participate or indicates that the other's behaviour is unwelcome, it becomes at best boorishness, at worst outright abuse.

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Most two-way processes are initiated by one party or another. No-one stopped you walking off. You just stood there.

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

How would you like it if some ignorant tosser came up to you when you were trying to do your job and shouted in your ear, and made personal remarks about your family, or a drug habit?


adam

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Every day!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Eric

Every day!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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i like that answer ;)

Doesn't sound like much of a job Eric. :)

If Barry hadn't failed the drug test this wouldn't of been an issue, that's hardly Cork City's fault.

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Originally Posted by Dricky

If Barry hadn't failed the drug test this wouldn't of been an issue, that's hardly Cork City's fault.

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Does Barry Ryan blame Cork City fans for being foxy aswell does he?

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Originally Posted by SuperKev

Great post. Some sense and real talk and it comes from a rovers fan. I'm amazed. Fair play to you, NY Hoop. That was as decent a post as i've seen in a long time. Sheridan, i'm not gonna be too harsh on you but every game your gonna have to deal with this banter and to call it any thing else is ridiculous. All fans slag the other set of supporters and if your not able to deal with that, i suggest following other sports like badminton.

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FWIW, your new mate NY Hoop is only backing you up because he's OBSESSED (see the Ultras forum for details.)

As for the "banter" b0llocks, I didn't consider it banter, and Barry (who, being a 'keeper and a professional footballer, has seen his share of "banter", not to mention abuse, over the years) didn't consider it banter. In fact, he allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights. I think the common thread here is the disparity between what's considered civilised behaviour amongst most human beings, and the equivalent standard of behaviour amongst Cork City fans. Draw your own conclusions.

We had some proper banter with Owen Heary earlier in the season, a DC fan on the Riverside shouted a comment at him in jest, he (and the players around him) laughed, Heary replied (while the game was still going on) and got a huge cheer. The tone last Thursday was considerably different.

Anyway, I reckon this topic's been done to death. I, for one, have ventured just about as far into the festering well of sociopathy that appears to be the mindset of (far too many) Cork City fans as I'm willing to go. See you in a few years, hopefully.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

In fact, he allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights.

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EH??? Sheridan my man, that makes absolutely no sense whatsover. a player thumping a fan for something he said on the terraces? give me a break. "within his rights"??? come on now sheridan, you're an intelligent guy. if that's the case every player at an away ground would go around thumping fans for abuse that was shouted from the terraces. it's part and parcel of the game. and before you start spouting on about "ooh, that's his personal life", the guy was banned from the game of FOOTBALL for drugs offences, and then had the cheek to say in a radio interview with newstalk that he shouldn't have been banned because it was "only" a recreational drug and not a performance enhancing one? what kind of message was that sending out to kids who play football?

Sheridan, I've sat out of this argument for long enough, but to be perfectly honest i'm sick of you playing the saint here, and defending Barry Ryan in spite of the fact he phsyically threatened a cork city supporter (and yes, I was there,i saw the whole thing with my own two eyes).

give us a break man, please.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

See you in a few years, hopefully.

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it wont be too soon ;)

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

We had some proper banter with Owen Heary earlier in the season, a DC fan on the Riverside shouted a comment at him in jest, he (and the players around him) laughed, Heary replied (while the game was still going on) and got a huge cheer.

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And did the dog start barking then and did the old man's hat blow away in the wind...

**** off to the Leinster Senior League or something worse than that.

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Originally Posted by Neil

And did the dog start barking then and did the old man's hat blow away in the wind...

**** off to the Leinster Senior League or something worse than that.

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Muppet. Grow up.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

........Barry......allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights. I think the common thread here is the disparity between what's considered civilised behaviour amongst most human beings, and the equivalent standard of behaviour amongst Cork City fans. Draw your own conclusions.

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I will draw my own conclusions.
Daft post, your worst of the whole debate.

The behaviour of City fan's was uncivilised, yet Barry would have been within his rights to thump one of us. I guess physical violence would have been civilised by that logic. :rolleyes:

Although, it's the same logic which facilitated your chairman's double standard, we're the 'lowest form of scum' and 'lacking in moral fibre' while his swearing and gesturing is a 'personal plea'.

If Seery was that concerned with moral fibre, he shouldn't have hired the drugs cheat in the first place, surely that sends out the wrong message to the kid in the stand :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by tiktok

I will draw my own conclusions.
Daft post, you're worst of the whole debate.

So the behaviour of City fan's was uncivilised, but Barry would have been within his rights to thump one of us. I guess physical violence would have been civilised by that logic.

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Yeah, you're right in one sense. He wouldn't have been within his rights legally, but if it happened after the game (or was unrelated to the game) then I know how I would have reacted, and I'm sure I wouldn't have been alone. I'm glad he didn't resort to physical violence, but it's always interesting to see how brave people are when the tables are turned. (Incidentally, there has been no debate. Don't let my endless patience fool you otherwise.)

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Although it's the same logic which facilitated your chairman's double standard, we're the lowest form of scum and lacking in moral fibre while his swearing and gesturing is a 'plea'.

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I've already said, many times, that I don't condone Rocky's behaviour. But just on that, someone said that he could have caused "war" all on his lonesome by throwing some abuse at twenty+ Cork fans. Whereas twenty+ Cork fans throwing abuse at Barry is apparently no grounds for retaliation. Where's the double standard now?

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If Seery was that concerned with moral fibre, he shouldn't have hired the drugs cheat, surely that sends out the wrong message to the kid in the stand :rolleyes:

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Stupid comment. Too stupid to be worthy of rebuttal. You can do better than that.

Incidentally (if you want to broaden the argument), what I haven't mentioned is the lack of class and sportsmanship in the Cork team itself, from putting the ball out of play by DC's corner flag when it was kicked to touch because Doyle was feigning injury (basically giving themselves an attacking platform) to making two substitutions in stoppage time. Why haven't I mentioned it? It's football, it's fair game (although Dolan openly exhorting his players to intimidate the ref was borderline.) They did what they had to do to win the game, and fair f*cks to them. Some of you just seem incapable of drawing the line.

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

As for the "banter" b0llocks, I didn't consider it banter, and Barry (who, being a 'keeper and a professional footballer, has seen his share of "banter", not to mention abuse, over the years) didn't consider it banter. In fact, he allegedly threatened to thump someone, and would have been within his rights.
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Of all the fans in all the grounds in all the world he had to pick me!!!! :rolleyes:

Let me tell you Sheridan that he would most certainly not have been within his rights to physically assault anyone, regardless of what was said to him!! And I'm sure he would've got a nice little surprise if he did try assault me.!!! ;) :D

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

I've already said, many times, that I don't condone Rocky's behaviour. But just on that, someone said that he could have caused "war" all on his lonesome by throwing some abuse at twenty+ Cork fans. Whereas twenty+ Cork fans throwing abuse at Barry is apparently no grounds for retaliation. Where's the double standard now?


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The city fans were abusing Barry Ryan whilst he was on the pitch and there was never going to be any trouble between either party. Whether you condone what was being said is your opinion.

The whole situation with Seery is completly different. We were all behind the goal singing and chanting when he stormed over into the middle of us abusing us and telling us to shut up. Far greater likelyhood of creating trouble when he is standing in the middle of a group of fans abusing them

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Originally Posted by Sheridan

Anyway, I reckon this topic's been done to death. I, for one, have ventured just about as far into the festering well of sociopathy that appears to be the mindset of (far too many) Cork City fans as I'm willing to go. See you in a few years, hopefully.

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Sheridan,
you have been a welcome addition to this and other forums for the last year or so. However, your posting over the last few weeks is of a level bordering on the ludicrous.
A few points:
1. You believe that any fan of an opposing team is a "knuckle-dragger" for not supporting a rival team in Europe.
2. You appear to be appalled at the fact that fans will bait, hurl abuse and generally try to get on the backs of opposition players.
3. "Strong" language and "sarcastic" comments seem to upset you inordinately.

A) Fans support thier own team and want them to succeed. By definition, that means they want their rivals to fail at every turn. Your term of knuckle-dragger suggests a person of fairly low intellect. Not understanding a simple basic fact about competitive sport could be interpreted as somehow lacking in intellect. You certainly are not a fool, so do not try to come across as one.

B) Soccer is generally a working class game, mostly supported by males. It is a physical game, played by men, (except for womens leagues obviously) who curse, swear and express themselves in terms that would be considered "impolite". Those male supporters express themselves just as impolitely, as physically and as passionately as any player.The abuse that is flung at players by players on the field of play is often much stronger than anything fans say.

C) Cursing, swearing and using the most foul language is part of soccer in every counry that has a league. This is a fact, however unpalatable, and if you want to continue to go to and enjoy games, you had better get used to it. To suggest that Seery was intemperate, yet fans were foul and abusive for speaking in exactly the same terms, is silly and ridiculous.

I quite enjoy your contributions, but from your posts, you would prefer if all soccer fans sat at games, applauded both teams equally and shouted things like "Well played, Sir". You had a signature which quotes an Irish Ascendancy novelist. This suggests some sort of hankering for an idealised and mythical world where we are all good chaps, fair play and taking part is the guiding principle and we all shake hands and have a Pimms after the game.
If it's the Corinthian spirit you are looking for, then maybe you might find it at the Polo or Lacrosse fields in the Phoenix Park.You are not going to find it at ANY sport I know of anywhere in the world.

I feel sorry that you, and the other few genuine DC fans that I know of, are watching your team failing so badly, its always the fans suffer the most in these situations. However, Bohs, City, SPA, Rovers, Monaghan, Kildare etc fans are going to shout, swear, jump about, scream abuse and annoy the opposition for as long as teams exist and are supported. Every opportunity to needle, mock and disparage opposing teams and players will be availed of, and being offended by it can only lead to a level of indignation that is unhealthy for you. You can't beat them, you don't have to join them, but you MUST put up with it.

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Originally Posted by patsh

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Sheridan,
you have been a welcome addition to this and other forums for the last year or so. However, your posting over the last few weeks is of a level bordering on the ludicrous.
A few points:
1. You believe that any fan of an opposing team is a "knuckle-dragger" for not supporting a rival team in Europe.

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Come sir, you exaggerate. I never said "any." I clarified my position repeatedly, and don't feel any compulsion to do so again. I stand over the knuckle-draggers comment in the context in which it was made. A few of these same knuckle-draggers were in evidence at Tolka Park for the DC game. In fact, the furrows their knuckles left behind in the concrete were so deep we had to pay Shels to get them filled in :(

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I quite enjoy your contributions, but from your posts, you would prefer if all soccer fans sat at games, applauded both teams equally and shouted things like "Well played, Sir". You had a signature which quotes an Irish Ascendancy novelist. This suggests some sort of hankering for an idealised and mythical world where we are all good chaps, fair play and taking part is the guiding principle and we all shake hands and have a Pimms after the game.

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I'm cracking up here, Pat. :D

Actually, I come from THE, and I mean THE single most identifiably working class community in Dublin, possibly in Ireland. Which is why, incidentally, I know that some of the Cork fans' behaviour would get them in trouble (or hurt, or stabbed) in different circumstances, because I've seen it happen. I swear at players/referees/linesman/managers all the time. But I know where to draw the line, and I know that gathering in a group of twenty directly behind someone I wouldn't say "boo" to if I met face-to-face and hurling foul-mouthed and targeted abuse at them is pathetic at best.

And give it a rest with the "man's game" stuff, I thought pseudo-working-class chic went out with Oasis and Loaded. Although we do tend to pick up trends late from across the water, so maybe the cultural year is 1996 after all.

It's nothing to do with DC on the field. F*ck it, we weren't good enough and deserved to go down, we'll do better next time. But I'll be the judge of what I should and shouldn't put up with, and a rather good judge I am too, if I say so myself.

Now, I'm happy to draw a line there if everyone else is.