The bigger problem is that none of our strikers is a prolific scorer either. A change in system would require players who can step into the attacking role from midfield and I'm not sure we have those players. We have Whelan, Andrews, Gibson and McCarthy but of those McCarthy is the only one you'd describe as an athlete. Perhaps Andrews too.
What are everybodys odds that we make it to Brazil? I'll say 9-1.
I agree. A couple of points to refute Traps assertions/assumptions...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
1. Duffs most prolific season was as part of a 4-3-3 with Chelsea. Disclaimer - he's past his best.
2. More importantly, you can't use players goal scoring feats in a 4-4-2 as a definitive indicator of how their goal scoring would be in a 4-3-3. In fact, they're such different philosophies it's totally irrelevant.
You won't make a career as a bookie, Crosby87. Ireland are a very stingy 11/4 with PaddyPower to qualify for Brazil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
B/c they are trying to get you to bet on them to Qualify b/c they think they will not.
What? If they wanted people to bet they'd lengthen the odds.
if the odds were too long, nobody would bet on them. Or at least, not as many as if they were shorterQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yes, but anybody can see that 11/4 is ludicrously short odds. The bookies are trying to mitigate against the possibility of Ireland qualifying, which seems to suggest Irish people have gotten over their Euro 2012/Trap Out odyssey and once again have a bizarre confidence in our ability to qualify. Goes to show what one successful campaign can do for the national mood.
Very perceptive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
So we can take from Trap that the son of a gun has learned absolutely noting from his and his team's travails in Poland. It's all lip service Mr Trap. You mentioned Hoolahan and yet you don't bring him in, choosing to refer to McCarthy in some wierd way (not saying that Mc doesn't deserve his place - he does - but we also need the ball skills of Hoolahan). So here we go again, heaing off into a new campaign with more stupid team selections (McShane, Green, O'Dea even) and we leave the ball playing players behind.
You had a clean slate after the Euros Mr Trap and now you are showing us that you are not going to change. The clock is ticking more loudly than it ever was for the manager.
When did Trap say he'd bring in Hoolahan? Two people have said that now.
I don't think he did.
My recollection is that he said that bringing him in for the Euros would be pointless (excuse the pun) as we'd have to change the seestem, but that maybe he can play a role in WC qualification.
That in itself hinted that the system could be adapted.
He mentioned Hoolahan in a press conference after the Euros did he not?
We're almost 13/2 to win our qualifying group at betfair.
He's namedropped Hoolahan often to show he follows him, but never outright said he'd pick him afaik. It would've been all over this forum if he had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
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Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Those are ridiculous odds. Are you sure they weren't for Deutschland?
About 30-1 would be more realistic. Or about half that to qualify.
What are the odd of us not qualifying? If the odds are so ridiculous maybe that would be worth a punt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Also when Trap eventually goes it would be worth betting that the first hot favourite will not get job.
Bookies don't get rich giving out long odds. You always have the option of laying us instead of backing us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Er, they regularly give out far longer odds. Usually on complete no-hopers.
Yeah, that's kind of the point. I'll give you a million to one odds that Steve Staunton becomes the next President of the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
More of the same from Trapattoni as there isn't any scope to change our playing style with the players picked for Serbia. Trapattoni has identified there exists a problem but making a few squad changes is not going to fix it. A new approach is needed and it's not going to happen under Trapattoni's leadership.