Sporting Fingal sponsorship deal provokes council row

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

So how long does a lease have to be for the tenent to own the place and not the landlord?

Rubbish. DCC own the place and you sold the leasehold on. The only difference between your arrangement and Rovers, Waterford and Fingal is the length of the lease.

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No harm to yee BYCTWD, but you don't understand leases and property law.

Longfordian's response is spot on. If anything he's being generous on the time left on a lease for it to be considered 'good title' - 70yrs is usually good title for residential property, with commercial time-scales being shorter (a lot of commercial stuff is only built with a c. 30yr life-span in mind anyway, for example).

How much good title is left in Shels' lease would therefore be influenced by what the land is zoned for, but bottom line is that so long as the majority of the lease remains to be fulfilled the club's lease on the land has way more value than the council's freehold on it.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

he seems genuine

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Brilliant :D

You've came on here and had a very good account of yourself, You appeared to have a brain and an idea of what you were talking about up until now that is. Undone by 3 words.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

So how long does a lease have to be for the tenent to own the place and not the landlord?

Rubbish. DCC own the place and you sold the leasehold on. The only difference between your arrangement and Rovers, Waterford and Fingal is the length of the lease.

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DCC don't have any input into what goes on in Tolka day-to-day. If a team wants to rent Tolka for a cup game, they ask Shels and pay Shels for it. This isn't the case for Waterford, Rovers or Fingal.

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Originally Posted by Schumi

DCC don't have any input into what goes on in Tolka day-to-day. If a team wants to rent Tolka for a cup game, they ask Shels and pay Shels for it. This isn't the case for Waterford, Rovers or Fingal.

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Spot on - while Rovers were still homeless and renting Tolka Park, they paid the rent money to Shels.

For the recent IRFU Ireland 'A' international match that was played in Tallaght Stadium, the IRFU paid the rent fee to South Dublin County Council.

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

He's on about the fact you have no fans. I really hope you're in Tolka next year, we get the rent and you get no paying customers. Perfect really.

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No fans ? really? thats a new one , first i heard that one.

Just to put you in the picture, we are playing in Morton this year in the premier :D

Originally Posted by LeixlipRed http://foot.ie/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
He's on about the fact you have no fans. I really hope you're in Tolka next year, we get the rent and you get no paying customers. Perfect really.

Building a support base from scratch takes time but progress is being made . Premier side now which will help . We are certainly upsetting the fans of other clubs for some reason .

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Originally Posted by The Lep

No fans ? really? thats a new one , first i heard that one.

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you are a figment of your own imagination.

Still not comprehending.

They don't really though, it's just a mechanism that's very common with large tracts of land in Dublin. The ultimate freehold owner is the Council but they don't have any of the benefits of it. I believe they leased it out to the Donnelly family who then sublet it to Shels on a long lease. DCC just receive what's known as a ground rent to the best of my knowledge which is basically just a very nominal amount and their interest can be bought out under a set formula. There's no landlord/tenant relationship.