Fenlon for Dundee United?

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06/01/2010, 2:31 PM
garyderry

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

I love how Derry fans and Shels fans to a certain extent can blame Fenlon for contractual/wages/monetary issues at their clubs. It's Fenlon's fault we didn't pay tax, Fenlon's fault we gave these players stupid contracts. Fenlon's fault I needed to go to a loan shark for christmas. Get over it lads.

What Fenlon did at derry was sign a load of useless muppets,

on stupid money (yes the board should never have let him pay the wages out, but would have been less of an issue if any of them had seen a football before, never mind kick one before),
we were then stuck with these so called players on long term contracts who were no use to any club trying to compete in the premier when he ran back to Dublin crying.

That was not his habit at shels or Bohs. In general he signed fairly decent \ the better \ best players around the league with the odd exception.
06/01/2010, 3:29 PM
dcfc1928

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Thats not hard to explain. Its easy to attract players to Dublin because its a vibrant, cosmopolotan European capital. Its much harder to attract players to Derry becasue its a bombed out hovel.

Can't blame Fenlon because he had to pay a fortune to get anyone to move to Derry.

Wow, you're insight is amazing. :rolleyes:
06/01/2010, 3:50 PM
Quadruple1928

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

He was a success at Dublins second and third biggest clubs and a failure in a small provincial town. Thats indisputible.

Are you actually saying pats are the biggest team from Dublin:eek: granted after Bohs and shels they won more than the other Dublin clubs, UCD,fingal but come on now don't be stupid.
06/01/2010, 3:56 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Just before Christmas the FAI bean counters published the salary levels for the 2008 season (perhaps someone has a link) this showed that Bohs had the FOURTH yes, FOURTH highest wage bill in the Premier Division - after Drogs, Pats & Cork (leaving aside Derrys underestimation of wages) - result, Bohs won the League by 19 points and an FAI Cup. Not my idea of "huge budgetry advantage" but hey, lets not worry about a little thing like facts :rolleyes:

Did those wage figures for Bohs cover only footballing wages, or certain players rather passive 'additional' roles for the club, such as barmen, groundskeepers, youth trainers, window cleaners, fluffers etc....?
06/01/2010, 3:59 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Quadruple1928

Are you actually saying pats are the biggest team from Dublin:eek: granted after Bohs and shels they won more than the other Dublin clubs, UCD,fingal but come on now don't be stupid.

epic lawlz. :D
06/01/2010, 4:19 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

He was a success at Dublins second and third biggest clubs and a failure in a small provincial town. Thats indisputible.

Whereas Dundee is...
06/01/2010, 6:28 PM
Jicked

While Comical Gerry is giving interviews to extratime.ie saying he expects Fenlon to stay, it now seems a deal has been reached with Fenlon and he is to be confirmed as Dundee Utd's boss in the morning. I'm looking forward to Gerry trying to convince everyone he got the �280,000 compo for Fenlon too :D
06/01/2010, 7:29 PM
stovelid

If Nutsy is heading over to Scotland, it's a real shame he can't get his hands on some good, cheap, free agent players that he has a good relationship wi.......oh.
06/01/2010, 7:43 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Jicked

While Comical Gerry is giving interviews to extratime.ie saying he expects Fenlon to stay, it now seems a deal has been reached with Fenlon and he is to be confirmed as Dundee Utd's boss in the morning. I'm looking forward to Gerry trying to convince everyone he got the €280,000 compo for Fenlon too :D

reports on BBC that the figure we're looking for is stg350k. I doubt its that much myself.

I appreciate your just taking a cheap shot and all Jicked but do you not think its a good thing for the league in general that Bohs will take a stand on this and get that message out there (in some form) that clubs looking for talent (be it managers or players) from Ireland for nothing or next to nothing can think again.

Of course it helps that Pat is under contract and we are in a position to do so. But ive always said it is something that all the clubs in the League desperately need to improve on.

He's on his way back to Dublin too by the sounds of things with no contract signed.

I think he will go though.
06/01/2010, 8:00 PM
Jicked

Taking a stand is one thing, but expecting them to pay Bohemians the same as what the SFA paid for an international manager is ridiculous. Besides, yet again you can't take anything you hear from the Bohemian board at face value as

"jim spence on radio scotland saying compo now to be sorted and it wont be nearly as high as quoted due to fenlons contract not quite being what it seemed."
06/01/2010, 8:05 PM
SkStu

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Taking a stand is one thing, but expecting them to pay Bohemians the same as what the SFA paid for an international manager is ridiculous.

its a starting point - if you have ever been involved in negotiations at a professional level, you would know that strategically you go in at your top line.

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"jim spence on radio scotland saying compo now to be sorted and it wont be nearly as high as quoted due to fenlons contract not quite being what it seemed."

Just DU playing the same game as Bohs and pandering to their fans a bit if you ask me.
06/01/2010, 8:05 PM
dcfc1928

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Taking a stand is one thing, but expecting them to pay Bohemians the same as what the SFA paid for an international manager is ridiculous. Besides, yet again you can't take anything you hear from the Bohemian board at face value as

"jim spence on radio scotland saying compo now to be sorted and it wont be nearly as high as quoted due to fenlons contract not quite being what it seemed."

Iintriguing....
06/01/2010, 8:21 PM
Jicked

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Originally Posted by SkStu

its a starting point - if you have ever been involved in negotiations at a professional level, you would know that strategically you go in at your top line.

It seems to come from Homer Simpson's school of negotiating: http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season13/blame5.mp3

I'd wonder how professional it is to begin negotiations with a ridiculous figure that is a laughing stock, rather than begin focussing on what's an achievable realistic goal.

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Just DU playing the same game as Bohs and pandering to their fans a bit if you ask me.

With the way Bohs has been run in recent seasons I'd be more inclined to believe Dundee Utd rather than Gerry Conway who hasn't really had much of a clue thus far in this episode. Its been a bit of shambles, with a few untruths knocking around, like an awful lot thats come out of Dalyer recently.

For what its worth there was a post on the srfcultrasforum earlier today from a user who seems fairly clued up, setting out the details of what Fenlon was busy negotiating (deal was agreed in principle, Fenlon wanted a 3 and half year deal, DU wanted 2 and a half, though a compromise was expected) when Conway was claiming to know nothing of the deal. He then mentions how Fenlon is owed back money and bonuses and that as such asking for �280k is absolutely ridiculous.

Now obviously that can be dismissed as mere rumour, but the Rovers forum has had a lot of leaks from Dalyer that have later proved true, generally speaking the 'rumours' on there seem to come from people relatively in the know once you filter out the junk written by 15 year olds.
Then there's also the fact that Fenlon still plays 'seniors' football with a Rovers fans team, so presumably has a lot of friends/contacts. Hardly beyond belief that a friend of a friend would hear something...
Going by that and just how specific that post was (if you read it it seemed pretty particular) that may be the background behind DU announcing hours later on radio that there was something amiss with the Bohs/Fenlon contract.
06/01/2010, 8:34 PM
SkStu

congrats on being so well connected Jicked. I was just presenting what i thought was a possibility based on what i know. You have heard or read different (though its all really rumour at the end of the day). I have no doubt there is a possibility that Bohs have screwed up. It wouldnt be the first time. Most reasonable Bohs fans would acknowledge that. We'll see.

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I'd wonder how professional it is to begin negotiations with a ridiculous figure that is a laughing stock, rather than begin focussing on what's an achievable realistic goal.

i do it for a living and, trust me, if i went in to a meeting with figures that were "achievable and realistic" i'd be laughed out of the room and fired afterwards.
06/01/2010, 9:16 PM
RoversHead

If you went into the boardroom at Dalymount with figures that were realistic and achievable you certainly would be laughed out and fired:D
06/01/2010, 9:29 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

If you went into the boardroom at Dalymount with figures that were realistic and achievable you certainly would be laughed out and fired:D

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/...5022d04a8e.jpg

he's here all week folks!
06/01/2010, 10:25 PM
VinnyDCFC

Very short piece from BBC Scotland tonight

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/8444591.stm
06/01/2010, 11:02 PM
Jicked

British press reporting it as a done deal with compo to be sorted out tomorrow
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/home...ats-magic.html
Thats Bohs pre-season buggered :)

Also from the same article

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But DundeeUnited hope to get him for NOTHING amid talk of Fenlon being owed bonuses from cash-strapped Bohs.

Fenlon - the second most successful manager in Irish football history - informed the Bohemians board last night that he was accepting the United post.

It's thought he may simply write off any debts to make a clean break.

If a quick release agreement is struck he'll formally become United's new boss by the weekend.

Non-payment of bonuses. Do any of the SCP brains know if that would affect Bohs moving forward with licencing next week?
06/01/2010, 11:27 PM
Longfordian

Interesting. Hope he does well. How well would Craig Levein know him to give him a "glowing recommendation"?. Suppose he may have met him a few times over the years at games etc but they wouldn't have worked together?. Sean Dillon will be pleased I'd say, the only player who'd know Fenlon well.
06/01/2010, 11:29 PM
blue til i die

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The club apparently believed they would get their man for nothing or next to it as journalists in Scotland were told Fenlon would be free to walk away from his current position on the basis that delays in paying him some money owed to him amounted to a breach of contract.

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This is disputed by Bohemians officials who maintain verbal agreements had been reached with regard to a schedule for any payments due

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...261820790.html

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