Who will replace Miller in the squad.

No... I'm not for turning... The evidence is compelling sure. But I still think he's too rigid in his windows of oppertunity. I think such an emphasis on continuity in a playing pool as limited as ours is misplaced.. I feel rightly or wrongly that continuity should extend to 80-90 percent of a given sqaud, especially given trapps reluctance to use subs at the best of times. Every game for us is a cup final. We risk delaying the uncovering of a decisive player by over a year and all the competitive games there in.

I think Lee Frecklington is the answer to our midfield debate... he did score tonight in the Carling Cup after all

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

No... I'm not for turning... The evidence is compelling sure. But I still think he's too rigid in his windows of oppertunity. I think such an emphasis on continuity in a playing pool as limited as ours is misplaced.. I feel rightly or wrongly that continuity should extend to 80-90 percent of a given sqaud, especially given trapps reluctance to use subs at the best of times. Every game for us is a cup final. We risk delaying the uncovering of a decisive player by over a year and all the competitive games there in.

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I think the main points of debate are not about Trap being rigid about squad selection.
He is demonstrably no more rigid than any other intl manager in that respect. He has checked out at close hand, most of all that is available.

The debatable issues are with the playing style in regards to our available talent.
He has proceeded with deliberate caution with each match.
He is rigid about the playing style and it follows he is rigid about players that fit in. Enough has anyway been written about that.

Our campaign is similar enough to Charltons first, good battling performances away and 2 awful home games which induced extremes of apathy about where we were going and if Charlton had any football sense in his brain at all.
He had the players to make it work eventually, I think we need Steven Reid to make it work for us.

I think Miller should be replaced by Gary Deegan....

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I think Lee Frecklington is the answer to our midfield debate... he did score tonight in the Carling Cup after all

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Pah. The Lee we want has been knocking on the door all these years.

He has loads of experience
Has played football in two countries, one of which wasn't Scotland or England
He can score goals
He can pass a bit

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Lee Trundle

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Originally Posted by Bluebeard

Pah. The Lee we want has been knocking on the door all these years.

He has loads of experience
Has played football in two countries, one of which wasn't Scotland or England
He can score goals
He can pass a bit

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Lee Trundle

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nah.... hes a striker;)

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nah.... hes a striker;)

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Do you not recall several interviews where he said that he would do anything to further his- I mean, play for Ireland?:D

Miller linked with Preston in today's Indo - http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...d-1869097.html - one of their midfielders broke a leg recently, and he's seen as a cheap, available replacement

Few other details about Irish players expected to move this week in that article

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Do you not recall several interviews where he said that he would do anything to further his- I mean, play for Ireland?

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The bar of desire has already been set - being ready to swim across the Irish sea to play for Ireland.

That's not commitment. That merely says he'll turn up for cosy home games.

What he would do to play for us in Monenegro or Bulgaria is the real issue.

Then it might well be a desire for the bar issue.

Very good :)

Dont really care who replaces Miller im just glad that he is not going to have any say on the out come of Ireland most important game in this campaign.

Miller is just aint anywhere near good enough.

Hate being negative and I gave him chances in past (plenty) but he just aint up to it really now.

Fair play of you HIbs to give him the chances.

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

No... I'm not for turning... The evidence is compelling sure. But I still think he's too rigid in his windows of oppertunity. I think such an emphasis on continuity in a playing pool as limited as ours is misplaced.. I feel rightly or wrongly that continuity should extend to 80-90 percent of a given sqaud, especially given trapps reluctance to use subs at the best of times. Every game for us is a cup final. We risk delaying the uncovering of a decisive player by over a year and all the competitive games there in.

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We have a budding Maggie Thatcher in our midst :)

I do agree with you about the speed of the introductions. His windows are clearly the B games and friendlies. He's conservative in testing new players in competitive games, bar Gibson at home to Cyprus - a bold move that wasn't a great success.

The stats show he has made changes but the likes of St. Ledger were, in my opinion, obvious call ups well before Nigeria. McCann and others less so but that's another debate.

I am however much happier now that the whole pool is being looked at rather than a narrow pool selected by Teflon Don Givens.

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We have a budding Maggie Thatcher in our midst :)

I do agree with you about the speed of the introductions. His windows are clearly the B games and friendlies. He's conservative in testing new players in competitive games, bar Gibson at home to Cyprus - a bold move that wasn't a great success.

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We shouldn't overlook Trap/Ireland's finest hour, Italy away. Trap managed to change the system fairly rapidly when required, and did so with two big substitutions to swing the game aswell. Folan was put on despite hardly touching a ball in competitive fixture, and then there was also the big decision of removing Doyle in the second half for Noel Hunt which also worked well. I know Doyle wasn't 100% but considering we were chasing a goal plenty of managers would have left him on there to poach a chance, and ended up watching him shuffling around the pitch for the last quarter.

Trap's system may well just about survive with Andrews and Whelan.
Should one of Andrews or Whelan be absent, the cause for concern is sticking to that holding CM style and depending on the less experienced available talent like Gibson to plug the gap.
In fact, in those circumstances, but reluctant to say it out loud, I'd prefer Miller over the young Gibson.

Nobody will replace Miller...im afraid hes stayin!:rolleyes:

It's impossible to imagine that he'll be out of contract for a whole season. Just because he has left some crowd (I don't know who and don't give a) doesn't mean he won't go back to the same level.

Having said that, I don't know if he's any worth to Ireland when Whelan and Andrews are starting ahead of him.

He reminds me greatly of Anthony Stokes.

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We shouldn't overlook Trap/Ireland's finest hour, Italy away. Trap managed to change the system fairly rapidly when required, and did so with two big substitutions to swing the game aswell. Folan was put on despite hardly touching a ball in competitive fixture, and then there was also the big decision of removing Doyle in the second half for Noel Hunt which also worked well. I know Doyle wasn't 100% but considering we were chasing a goal plenty of managers would have left him on there to poach a chance, and ended up watching him shuffling around the pitch for the last quarter.

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All true. Credit where it's due.... But Keogh played wide right that night, and clearly didn't work out for him. What had trapp seen of Lawrence at that point time to decide Keogh was a better right midfielder than Liam Lawrence? It's not a case of 20 20 vision in hindsight, as concerns were expressed by most before hand...