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23/03/2009, 2:56 PM
KK77

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Mascherano is one dimensional and only works in a 3 man central midfielder where he can do the defensive job to perfection but is lacking when it comes to creating. As a result he gets found out when playing as a two in central midfield.

Got found out in Old Trafford last week;):D
23/03/2009, 3:18 PM
Roo69

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Originally Posted by Shilts

While Man U will prob win the league again this year I think Rafa is getting Liverpool closer to them all the time. To get to United's level Liverpool will need to spend more and buy better. But without the cash I don't think that Liverpool have a level playing field at the moment. I think Rafa has done a great job for Liverpool and will win the league... but not just yet.

I'd totally agree with that, Liverpool are getting better and closer to United. Liverpool big problem since Rafa came in is not the amount of money he has spent, but who he has spent it on. The quality of a lot of the players he has bought have not been up to that standard. Somone told me he had signed somthing like 50 players in the space of 4 years ? and something similar have left the club.
24/03/2009, 6:37 PM
NeilMcD

[QUOTE=Rafa B;1128108]

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Mascherano is one dimensional and only works in a 3 man central midfielder where he can do the defensive job to perfection but is lacking when it comes to creating. As a result he gets found out when playing as a two in central midfield.

Got found out in Old Trafford last week;):D

Well he had Alonso and Gerrard in front of him. He is one dimenional when playing in a 2 man midfield and two strikers up front. To be fair to Benitez he is playing a system that suits all the players esp the spine of the team. He is a good player I am not slagging him but I prefer my midfielders to be a bit more creative than he is.
24/03/2009, 7:11 PM
Stuttgart88

I'd pay money to watch Alonso just kick a ball against a wall. One of the most elegant players in the world.
24/03/2009, 7:17 PM
NeilMcD

He is playing very well this year. He had a poor season last season but fair play to him he has managed to get over the summer he had with the rumours over Barry etc. Fair play to him
25/03/2009, 8:05 AM
Pike B

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

He is playing very well this year. He had a poor season last season but fair play to him he has managed to get over the summer he had with the rumours over Barry etc. Fair play to him

It makes you wonder how the hell Benitez ever even considered Barry in the same class as Alonso really.
Thank God it didn't work out. I hope we tie Xabi to the club for life. After Stevie G and Carra he is our most important player.
25/03/2009, 8:36 AM
KK77

[QUOTE=NeilMcD;1129013]

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

Well he had Alonso and Gerrard in front of him. He is one dimenional when playing in a 2 man midfield and two strikers up front. To be fair to Benitez he is playing a system that suits all the players esp the spine of the team. He is a good player I am not slagging him but I prefer my midfielders to be a bit more creative than he is.

He didn't have Alonso in front of him Alonso didn't play;) He had Lucas alongside him with Gerrard in front off Torres. Even if we did have Alonso they play as a pair;)
25/03/2009, 8:38 AM
reder

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Originally Posted by Pike B

It makes you wonder how the hell Benitez ever even considered Barry in the same class as Alonso really.
Thank God it didn't work out. I hope we tie Xabi to the club for life. After Stevie G and Carra he is our most important player.

I would be very surprised if serious attempts are not made to sign Barry this summer by Liverpool. A large portion of whatever transfer money will be available will be splashed on him. Personally, I think it could be spent on other areas in the team but I suspect that the manager has his heart set on him.

Personally, Id have Alonso over Barry everytime. He has been Liverpool's player of the season and it was always a pleasure to watch him play in the flesh. Throughout the current season, he is exactly what a Liverpool player should be, both on and off the field.

Dont be surprised if it's Alonso out and Barry in this summer.
25/03/2009, 9:39 AM
Pike B

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Originally Posted by reder

Dont be surprised if it's Alonso out and Barry in this summer.

I hope to God your wrong mate. I really do.
25/03/2009, 10:44 AM
NeilMcD

[QUOTE=Rafa B;1129330]

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

He didn't have Alonso in front of him Alonso didn't play;) He had Lucas alongside him with Gerrard in front off Torres. Even if we did have Alonso they play as a pair;)

The point is still the same in that he had 2 midfielders ahead of him to create and for him to the defensive work.
25/03/2009, 10:48 AM
KK77

[QUOTE=NeilMcD;1129436]

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

The point is still the same in that he had 2 midfielders ahead of him to create and for him to the defensive work.

:rolleyes:
25/03/2009, 10:54 AM
Pike B

I have to say that I was of a similar opinion as Neil about Javier before this season. I thought he was all work no technique, a Makelele if you like. But in the last few months I'm seeing him pass better than ever, aswell as having the odd pop at goal. I think Diego making him captain of Argentina has given him new confidence in himself and he is becoming more Viera like than Makelele. He is still young too and will only get better. I think he is now a must starter for us every game.
And he would get in the United team!! :p
25/03/2009, 10:57 AM
KK77

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Originally Posted by Pike B

I have to say that I was of a similar opinion as Neil about Javier before this season. I thought he was all work no technique, a Makelele if you like. But in the last few months I'm seeing him pass better than ever, aswell as having the odd pop at goal. I think Diego making him captain of Argentina has given him new confidence in himself and he is becoming more Viera like than Makelele. He is still young too and will only get better. I think he is now a must starter for us every game.
And he would get in the United team!! :p

In fairness Mascherano is not a creative midfielder but he brings other things to the team. Anyway the point is he plays in a 4-4-2 for Liverpool or if you want to get all technical a 4-4-1-1:D
25/03/2009, 10:59 AM
Pike B

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Originally Posted by Rafa B

In fairness Mascherano is not a creative midfielder but he brings other things to the team. Anyway the point is he plays in a 4-4-2 for Liverpool or if you want to get all technical a 4-4-1-1:D

No, not creative, but he is improving this side of his game. He and Alonso are the best midfield two in Europe at present.
25/03/2009, 11:28 AM
Roadend

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Originally Posted by Pike B

No, not creative, but he is improving this side of his game. He and Alonso are the best midfield two in Europe at present.

Calm down there sonny, I like them too but this is incorrect
25/03/2009, 1:05 PM
Pike B

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Originally Posted by Roadend

Calm down there sonny, I like them too but this is incorrect

I don't think it is.
I mean who's better as a two currently?
25/03/2009, 6:43 PM
stojkovic

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Originally Posted by Pike B

I don't think it is.
I mean who's better as a two currently?

Xavi and Iniesta.
25/03/2009, 7:00 PM
Weatherman

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Originally Posted by Pike B

I don't think it is.
I mean who's better as a two currently?

Fletcher and park!
25/03/2009, 7:56 PM
dfx-

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Originally Posted by Pike B

It makes you wonder how the hell Benitez ever even considered Barry in the same class as Alonso really.

Because Alonso had two awful seasons before this one.

Judging by some "Only Torres" Utd fans in this thread they would consider Anderson and Nani better than Alonso and Mascherano..:rolleyes:
25/03/2009, 8:48 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by dfx-

Because Alonso had two awful seasons before this one.

I know he was quiet last year, but I thought he was pretty good the year before? Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me.

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Judging by some "Only Torres" Utd fans in this thread they would consider Anderson and Nani better than Alonso and Mascherano..:rolleyes:

Why are you picking on that poor straw man?

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