I. Don't. Believe. You.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
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I. Don't. Believe. You.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
Examples - Cork last game of the 2007 season. 20 Gardaí storm onto the away section in Turners cross knocking lumps out of anyone in sight because one person has a flare. Constant little provocations at Dalymount from them. Why do you think we have a Garda Harassment forum at TheBohs.Com?
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You have been really unlucky with your choices of GAA game
Never saw anything that bad between two sets of fans inside a LOI ground in this decade. Was I just lucky?
I could tell you why I think but you wouldn't like it. ;) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Are you serious? Come off the stage or down out of the clouds. It goes on wholesaleQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
Fair enough, go with a ratio so and see how it fairs out. I'd put money on it, and thats even with the current level of reporting and glossing over of GAA trouble that goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I have heard of countless incidents at GAA games that would far out number anything at footie games, and i have witnessed far more incidents at GAA games, from the Harty Cup to Munster Finals, and i can tell you that i have been to far more footie games than GAA games.Quote:
How about as an exercise you compare the number of times a fan or other non-participant has assaulted a player on the pitch in the GAA compared with football at all levels which would be much fairer afterall.
500 and it still wouldn't make you sit up and take notice, sure what the feic are you posting about it for so, its pointless. What if everyone in Donegal had the same attitude as you???Quote:
Still you could give me 500 it still wouldn't make hooliganism the gardais fault.
I'd agree but thats not to say it doesn't happen, and when it does happen it can be on a far larger scale than anything you'll see at a LOI game.Quote:
You have been really unlucky with your choices of GAA game.
Ratio wouldn't be particularly fair either seeing as you would be dealing with far larger numbers and a far larger cross section of society at GAA games.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Championship games aren't even segregated FFS.
Myself and ten of my mates (no sniggering at the back) could travel to a game in say Thurles without tickets, get tickets for the "Clare end", bring in as much drink as we could carry and cheer and whoop and generally act the culchie for 70 minutes without an ounce of hassle.
I've done it on numerous occasions
Can you imagine if we tried to do the same at say a Rovers v Limerick F.C. game??
And remember at the GAA game there would be about 15,000 in the end, whereas as the football game there would be about 1500 in the ground.
Is Limerick honestly the only place where you hear of the officials at Junior games getting a smack in the mouth every now and again?!?!Quote:
I have heard of countless incidents at GAA games that would far out number anything at footie games, and i have witnessed far more incidents at GAA games, from the Harty Cup to Munster Finals,
Obviously, since you just admitted yourself that much of your info on the GAA games is second hand.Quote:
and i can tell you that i have been to far more footie games than GAA games.
What, in ainm de, is this about?!?!Quote:
500 and it still wouldn't make you sit up and take notice, sure what the feic are you posting about it for so, its pointless. What if everyone in Donegal had the same attitude as you???
Mainly because the crowds would be on a far, far larger scale I'm sure you'd agree??Quote:
I'd agree but thats not to say it doesn't happen, and when it does happen it can be on a far larger scale than anything you'll see at a LOI game
What about around the ground??Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Oh right. That's absolutely nothing to do with the league.......
You see very little around the ground too. As I said, this is a non-topic. Some lazy journo needed to make a deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I've seen far worse around LoI grounds than I have around GAA grounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
Have never seen a gun fired after a hurling match. :eek: :p
I don't think anybody is claiming that it's a particularly big deal.
All I'm saying is that it is a problem that exists, it is a realatively large one given the tiny numbers involved and it could IMO be very easily nipped in the bud (well to a large extent anyway) if clubs were really pushed about it.
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Just to lighten the mood like :)
He's getting all his gifs over on football 365 folks!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
You aint impressing me that easily jebus! :p
Some, but not this one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Next time you're around mine I'll have to show you a forum that will open your eyes :p
Bloody Students :eek: :eek: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Non-participants attacking players? At intercounty level? Give me some examples so.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Shocking that:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Go and do that on the Hill at a Dubs game and tell us how you get on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Whats the obsession with the intercounty level? Surely senior club fixtures are more in line with EL attendences?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
You know well and good that spectators have assaulted referees, players and team officials on quite a few occasions at senior club games over the last few years. Its been reported in the national press.
The only incident I can remember in the EL is Tom clotheslining an assistant referee a few seasons back (Belfield or Bray?). Oh and one of our fans pulled Barry Ryan's ears as he went to take a goal kick about 8 years ago.
The reality is that the GAA has such a control over the psyche of the media and other apparatus of the state that any hint of public disorder is either brushed under the carpet or portrayed as an integral part of the "manliness" that is an inherent part of the sport (subtext: if you complain you're a soft poof, most probably from the city and are probably unpatriotic to boot).
So in summary, when some mucksavage in a headband acts up its portayed as exhuberance and a bit of craic, but when someone dressed in Burberry or Stone Island does it its somehow more sinister and pretty much organised gang violence.
How many EL clubs are there? Now how many GAA clubs are there?
It is far more reasonable to compare the eircom league with intercounty GAA in terms of the number of teams participating.
For Jaysus sake man get off your ratio mantra.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
As regards football there is the EL teams right down to Sunday mroning kickarounds going on in the country all the time every weekend.
Believe me, you know and I know if there was hassle at those games e.g. EL Reserve / 'A' games, Leinster or other provincial Senior or Junior games, Junior Cup games etc. it would be reported in the papers - especially the herald!!
It doesn't happen at those levels in football, it does happen at those levels, as well as right down to U-12 games in the GAA world - get over it!!
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This is very exaggerated i was at that game and bohs fans had flares and cork city fans had smoke and also a flare that didnt last long at the other end of the derrynane ( where ye were) and yes they might of pushed and shoved but certainly did not "knock lumps out of anyone":rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
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To plan yer little casual outings of course and how ye'll do a display without being caught:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
By and large there isn't a hooligan problem in any sport in this country.
I'm sure we can all find instances in other sports. We have issues in football too but they are pretty minor. The Tribune is a terrible newspaper in all respects and that is where the criticism should be directed. They'll probably ignore th eelague again next season and run the story for a 3rd time this time next year.
As for general media coverage this is one area where the FAI could do much better. The GAA get good press because they are paranoid about their image. They will threaten to sue any paper that dares to utter criticism. The FAI have failed to sue in every case despite blatant libel.
I don't understand your last comparison, would you prefer Irish Football to develop a mental illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
There is the McDonald's model of replying to ever negative point, article or letter published. But that was more manageable in the 'hardcopy' era. Nowadays, when Irish Football does reply and attempt to manage some aspects of the media they are hysterically accused of extreme behaviour.
Of course, it does not make sense to sue (even threathen to sue) unless the injury is obvious. Otherwise you gain a reputation like Robert Maxwell's.
(And I don't mean a nice trip on a yacht.)