Sorry I was going by what Id heard on the radio. EDIT. I was actually mixing it up with the Irish version of administrationQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
The bit about the 10 points is kind of my point! Damned if you do and damned if you dont!
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Sorry I was going by what Id heard on the radio. EDIT. I was actually mixing it up with the Irish version of administrationQuote:
Originally Posted by micls
The bit about the 10 points is kind of my point! Damned if you do and damned if you dont!
I agree with this, although it's worth noting that Harps and Sligs are ahead of us because they're overspending too, so you've got the same problem lower down the league too, whereas your post consigns it to the top four.Quote:
Originally Posted by Student Mullet
Edit - and on reflection, I don't think you're right to say the top four would be ahead of us regardless of spending. The last time Bohs and Pat's spent sensibly (and by that I mean running up a loss equivalent to half our turnover instead of three times our turnover) was in 2006, when we finished ahead of both. And we both recall what Drogheda were like before Hoey started pouring money in. In fact, the only team I don't recall finishing ahead of is Cork. So while I agree with the gist of your post, I don't agree with your summary dismissal of other clubs' spending as the cause of it, at least in part.
Your most recent accounts show a loan of E2.6m from one of Kelleher's company, so I think it is fair to say that if he goes, you're screwed. Best case is that you go back to the way you were (you can decide if that constitutes "screwed" for yourself!), worst case is you get lumped with a load of bills (PAYE arrears in particular) which you suddenly can't afford to pay.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Harsh; I think you've not taken Titan's point fully. We've four U-21 internationals in the team, and Brian King's better than any of them, for example. We have a couple of poor players; we've no "terrible, terrible" players. But Titan's point in part was that if clubs were spending sensible amounts, players would be asking for sensible wages and so we'd be able to afford a forward who would have us a few extra points. That's all. It's like the way Dublin City were able to outbid us for players, creating false wage inflation even at our level. We're clearly deservedly fighting relegation, but if the sillier clubs weren't bankrupting themselves signing forwards so that we can't afford them, we'd be better off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
As it happens, we'll probably go down, regroup, come top four next year, come up the year after and be back annoying people soon enough. Just like the last time. :)
And as I said earlier then Cobh could get better defenders, Galway could get better midfielders, Harps could get a keeper etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And this is UCD is the worst I've ever seen. You are way more than a striker away from being decent
Not in a sensible league, they couldn't. They'd have cut back so much they'd lose their best players rather than sign new ones, which is the point.
We're an attacking unit away from being a decent team - two strikers and two attacking mids. At this stage (4 points in 15 games), you can clearly see morale is at zero, which really doesn't help.
Obviously, on the pitch, we are where we deserve to be. But we don't have "some terrible terrible players".
I disagree. I couldn't name names and I'm basing it solely on performances against Pats but several players were not premnier division standard. Both full backs were abysmal, and not a single midfielder could tackle.
The left back hasn't played since; we often throw players a bit too early into the first team. The right back has been around for years and is a solid player. Kinger and McFaul will throw in plenty of tackles.
What you're probably observing though is the fact that as clubs like youz (and Bohs and Drogheda and Cork) double your budget by losing E2m a year, we simply can't keep up and so the gap gets bigger between us. In that case, you're not observing the worst ever UCD team, you're observing the biggest gap ever between us. That's because you're spending millions you don't have, it's not because our team has suddenly gotten worse.
Get off the soapbox, wll you? This current Pats team isn't fit to lace the boots of previous championship winning teams. Our standard has not increased significantly and IMO, UCD have got poorer (pun very much intended).
You can console yourself with the fact you may be doing OK budget wise, but regardless of money, you have plenty of players who aren't premier division quality and thats reflected in your league position
We'll have to agree to disagree so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
That is NOT the foot.ie way!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And I don't agree to it...
We'll have to agree to disagree so. :)
[bite]I don't think you can say a team who've beaten Elfsborg don't deserve to lace the boots of one who lost 10-0 to Zimbru, for example. Bit of nostalgic improvement there, I think. [/bite]
I must say I do agree and sympathise with UCD supporters and their plight for survival. Its the same old story in this league where clubs try to do things right and end up getting ****ed on.
Whatever division UCD are in next season they will be better off than most clubs. Say if you are relegated along with Galway and Cobh, UCD will still have their financial structures in place and will also be better placed than 3 of the 4 remaining in the first.
If clubs have breached the 65% rule then sanctions must be enforced. An example needs to be made of those who constantly flout the rules.
Summer football, don't you see? :p And as ridiculous as this sounds, we should've beena couple of goals up before Zimbru scored, and then just fell to pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
In all probablility we're going to lose both legs to hertha. I'd say they're a similar level to the Celtic side we drew with in Glasgow (before losing at home).
The difference is that Harps' and Sligo's debts are within their ability to trade out of them. Sligo needed 130k and got most of that already from their supporters. If they want to run at a loss for a while and them pay off that loss I don't really have a problem. UCD did similar when we went down. We ran at a loss for a season to keep most of the premier division squad together and the gamble paid off.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The big problem for me is that the 4 big spending clubs are running up bills that they have absolutely no chance of repaying from normal footballing income. This is a big problem for the league but it's not related to UCD getting a well earned relegation.
Its only a problem if backers pull out. Most leagues in the world are based around clubs with outside investmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Bald Student
That's true and the backers pull out often enough for it to be a big problem in this league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
What backers have pulled out? I can only remember Arkaga and the Kilcoynes pulling out? Maybe the Donnollys at Shels but that was a different situation
Dublin City and the property developers hanging around Tallaght (McNamara?) are another 2. Looking forward I wouldn't count on The Bohs getting much money from Liam Carrol and the owners of Drogs have been talking about pulling the plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Well Dublin City didn't have any outside backers they were basically a pet project. Closer to Kilkenny or Wexford than Bohs or Cork.
Rovers weren't buggered by outsiders over Tallaght they (maguire et al) ballsed it up from start to finish. lack of money was their problem rather than anyone pulling out (McNamara was the guy who brought them to the RDS)
Bohs would be a land deal that ****ed them over, rather than a backer pulling out.
Drogheda and Pats, AFAIK, are the only one who would be in real danger
FFS ucd fan if your gonna come out with your usual nonsense at least get your facts right :mad: vincent hoey has been around for a long time and didnt just start pumping money into DUFC , hes a life long supporter and has done more than anyone for the club .He brought in investors and is doing everything in his power to keep the club alive and hopefully prospering .But you just dont wanna hear it do you :confused: Dont compare him to some money grabbing investor who dosent give a toss as he cares more than anyone i know about his local club .Its a pity theres nobody who gives a toss about your poxy little school team and the vast majority of your posts are about other clubs and there investors and how we are all fcuked .GET A LIFE :mad: