Everton and Liverpool discussion

Well another p1ss awful day against the bitters. Once again we were dragged down to their level.

In relation to the fans, I actually thought the everton support during the game was pathetic for away fans. They livened up a bit after A "Diving B*st*rd" J missed that sitter. However, I was apauled to here their "Justice for the 39" chants and as for the scumbag in the front row who kept making the smothering hillsborough gesture, well I just cant wait til next season in goodison as I hope to god i come accross him outside. They really are on a par with Millwall and the likes. A disgrace to football and the city!

No trouble after the game or in the city, I wonder why!!!

Rafa was correct in his comments. Everton is a small club. The have no silverware worth talking about and any club that is looking to get into bed with Tesco has to be small time.

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Originally Posted by reder

Rafa was correct in his comments. Everton is a small club. The have no silverware worth talking about and any club that is looking to get into bed with Tesco has to be small time.

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As opposed to the crowd your lot are wooing? :rolleyes:

Everton have nine league titles. As I said, that makes them the fourth most successful side in the history of English football. Small club my Arás.

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Originally Posted by reder

Well another p1ss awful day against the bitters. Once again we were dragged down to their level.

In relation to the fans, I actually thought the everton support during the game was pathetic for away fans. They livened up a bit after A "Diving B*st*rd" J missed that sitter. However, I was apauled to here their "Justice for the 39" chants and as for the scumbag in the front row who kept making the smothering hillsborough gesture, well I just cant wait til next season in goodison as I hope to god i come accross him outside. They really are on a par with Millwall and the likes. A disgrace to football and the city!

No trouble after the game or in the city, I wonder why!!!

Rafa was correct in his comments. Everton is a small club. The have no silverware worth talking about and any club that is looking to get into bed with Tesco has to be small time.

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And your not bitter are you !!!

WTF is a "smothering hillsborough gesture" ???

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Originally Posted by Liverpool Echo

Make no mistake, we're one of the big clubs - MoyesFeb 5 2007




by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo




DAVID MOYES refused to rise to Rafa Benitez's post-match bait at Anfield on Saturday.

But the Blues' boss did declare: "Everton are not a small team. Everton are one of the big clubs in England."

The Reds manager referred to the original inhabitants of Anfield as a "small club" on three separate occasions in a pointed dig at their neighbours.

But Moyes said: "We are, at this present time, smaller than Liverpool, butI'll tell you what we are is a competitive football club, a determined football club and we are trying to achieve as much as we can.

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Read the rest

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Originally Posted by reder

Rafa was correct in his comments. Everton is a small club.

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He sure was. Only the big clubs come to Anfield looking to give us a game. The rest of them do an Everton.

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Originally Posted by mypost

He sure was. Only the big clubs come to Anfield looking to give us a game. The rest of them do an Everton.

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You weren't saying that last September when you were going home from Goodison with your tail between your legs.

3-0, 0-0

That's what made losing 3-0 in September worse. They lost to Everton, ffs. Similar fuss if we lost to a similar small team away...like Fulham.

3-0 defeat to a small club, ffs. The lowpoint of the season.;)

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

You weren't saying that last September when you were going home from Goodison.

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I think I was talking about games at Anfield. :rolleyes: Even minnows win the odd home game against their superiors. Losing to Everton is a rare event for us these days. :p

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Originally Posted by mypost

IEven minnows win the odd home game against their superiors.

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Sometimes they win away against their superiors. Remember Rovers managed to beat Bohs in the cup last year.
If Everton are a small club, so are Rovers. Everton have won a major trophy more recently. :p

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Sometimes they win away against their superiors. Remember Rovers managed to beat Bohs in the cup last year.

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Thank you for reminding us. :p

Winning at Bohs is a regular feat for us, and as it's now 6 years since I lost saw us lose to them, it's clear who is superior, and who isn't.

Everton's last win at Anfield however, was in the last century. :D Minnows.

This whole "Everton is a small club issue" is a no-brainer. Look at the facts :

1) Everton mainly sing songs about the opposition. Big teams mainly sing songs about themselves.
2) Everton go away and try to not lose games. Big teams playing away try to win.
3) Everton fail to fill their stadium with regularity. Big teams usually have to turn people away.
4) Everton produce DVDs after they win a match. Big teams produce one after they win a trophy.
5) 3 trophies in 20 years makes them a small club also.
6) They didnt sell out their "biggest game in 20 years" against Villarreal.

Finally I have to say, when you treat a 0-0 draw like a cup final win you've serious problems.

The yanks now own Liverpool....

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...250376,00.html

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Originally Posted by reder

This whole "Everton is a small club issue" is a no-brainer. Look at the facts :

1) Everton mainly sing songs about the opposition. Big teams mainly sing songs about themselves.
2) Everton go away and try to not lose games. Big teams playing away try to win.
3) Everton fail to fill their stadium with regularity. Big teams usually have to turn people away.
4) Everton produce DVDs after they win a match. Big teams produce one after they win a trophy.
5) 3 trophies in 20 years makes them a small club also.
6) They didnt sell out their "biggest game in 20 years" against Villarreal.

Finally I have to say, when you treat a 0-0 draw like a cup final win you've serious problems.

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silly person go away , no one is celebrating a draw we are sitting back quite smugly as the small bitter men at liverpool bitch and moan because of there own short comings .

while everton may have been in liverpools shadow for the last 20 years liverpool where in evertons shadow for the previous 90 , so come back to me in 70 years time untill then ...............

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Originally Posted by anto1208

silly person go away , no one is celebrating a draw

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So what do you call jumping up and down in celebration at full time, standing outside the ground after the game singing your song (singular) and driving around the area after the game beeping the horn with flags out the car window.

Judging by the fact that you had to resort to personal insults, I obviously hit the nail on the head with my last post.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

while everton may have been in liverpools shadow for the last 20 years liverpool where in evertons shadow for the previous 90 , so come back to me in 70 years time.

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Joke of the week. :D :D :D ROFL!!!

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Originally Posted by reder

So what do you call jumping up and down in celebration at full time, standing outside the ground after the game singing your song (singular) and driving around the area after the game beeping the horn with flags out the car window.

Judging by the fact that you had to resort to personal insults, I obviously hit the nail on the head with my last post.

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So why where you hanging around the ground after the game watching the Everton fans "celebrate"

its not uncommon for away fans to keep singing after the game on the walk home , they where probibly just enjoying watching the "super" fans of "title condenters" LFC chewing there sour grapes after they spent the last few months telling us how they where going to destroy us at anfield only to spend 90 mins ****ing in the wind .

strange after the 2 derby games this season all ye have to slag us about is the fans celebrating a draw pathetic , and this small club jibe .you want to see small have a look in your pants .

i suppose it must be embarresing after spending 100 mill more than us and all the self promotion about being a big club ( which ye're not ) getting handed your arse at goodison and at anfield having all your short commings pointed out yet again .

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Originally Posted by anto1208

So why where you hanging around the ground after the game watching the Everton fans "celebrate"

its not uncommon for away fans to keep singing after the game on the walk home , they where probibly just enjoying watching the "super" fans of "title condenters" LFC chewing there sour grapes after they spent the last few months telling us how they where going to destroy us at anfield only to spend 90 mins ****ing in the wind .

strange after the 2 derby games this season all ye have to slag us about is the fans celebrating a draw pathetic , and this small club jibe .you want to see small have a look in your pants .

i suppose it must be embarresing after spending 100 mill more than us and all the self promotion about being a big club ( which ye're not ) getting handed your arse at goodison and at anfield having all your short commings pointed out yet again .

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It is very uncommon to see away fans singing outside a ground after a game that they have drawn 0-0 by putting 9 men behind the ball. I wasnt hanging around, I was actually going around that way to pick up my grandfather. Given that he is in his 80's, it wouldnt be safe to let him walk around on his own after playing everton given the disgraceful behaviour of everton away fans in the past few seasons.

With all due respect, 18 league titles, 5 european cups, 7 fa cups, 7 league cups, 3 uefa cups and so on meets the criteria of a big club.

Anyway its over now, have to go and finalise my plans for Barcelona in the CL. You know the competition that you couldnt even get past the qualifying round of. Oh sorry, that was Collina's fault wasnt it (and ours of course)!!

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Originally Posted by reder

It is very uncommon to see away fans singing outside a ground after a game that they have drawn 0-0 by putting 9 men behind the ball.

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I'd have expected more from you. I thought you'd been to a few Derby's. Its a big game, lots of passion, Everton fans would be singing outside regardless of any result.

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Originally Posted by reder

With all due respect, 18 league titles, 5 european cups, 7 fa cups, 7 league cups, 3 uefa cups and so on meets the criteria of a big club.

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Who is disputing that Liverpool are a big club? By those criteria though Liverpool are the only big club in England.
Personally I think 9 league titles in a country like England qualifies you for big club status (along with most seasons in the top flight etc.)
And as for the CL, if we'd got your handy little run through to the group stages after UEFA quite kindly changed the rules to suit you, we'd have been in it too. As for your "disgracefull behaviour" pontificating, Liverpool fans are in no position to get on high horses on that particular subject.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Thank you for reminding us. :p

Winning at Bohs is a regular feat for us, and as it's now 6 years since I lost saw us lose to them,

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You obviously stayed at home from a few games so as we've beeten you a few times in that timeframe.

i give up your clearly on a wind up .

making stupid accusations then failing to back them up or explain them re: the smothering Hillsborough nonsence .

maybe you should spend less time watching what the everton fans are doing and more time watching your team .

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

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Personally I think 9 league titles in a country like England qualifies you for big club status (along with most seasons in the top flight etc.)

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What have Arsenal go to do with this?

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Originally Posted by Roadend

What have Arsenal go to do with this?

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Arsenal have the longest unbroken run in the top flight, Everton have most Seasons.
Thats the problem with you redsh1te types. Don't know your history. :p

All this nitpicking is tiresome reading. The facts are plain to see. Liverpool are by far the more sucessful,more ambitious,wealthier, bigger fan base, better assets, better players, more illiustrious past and brighter future than most of the clubs in Europe never mind Everton. So Everton got a draw, good for them. It was a good result given the obvious gulf in playing class and resources between the clubs. Every dog has his day but the reality is that the odd victory or draw against a Liverpool or a Man Utd and the odd cup run is about all the toffees have to look forward to. Now thats depressing and you can see the resentment in the Everton fans. Liverpool have had a similar type resentment towards Man Utd with their league success but the Fa Cups, Uefa Cup and Champions league have eased the pain. The new investment should help bring closure to any argument with a league title on the horizon during the next few years.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

Arsenal have the longest unbroken run in the top flight, Everton have most Seasons.
Thats the problem with you redsh1te types. Don't know your history. :p

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plus we held the league title from 1914 to 1919 and 39 to 45 :D :D

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

we've beeten you a few times in that timeframe.

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:rolleyes:

Every one I've been at since the cup semi-final 6 years ago, we've either won or drawn, but never lost.

Going back on-topic, to the LFC fans outside Liverpool, Liverpool-Everton is just another local derby. The really big one for the rest of us comes on March 3rd, the Premiership "El Grande Clasico".

As regards Everton's big club delusion, let's have a look at their massive haul of championships:

Last 30 years: 2
Last 20 years: 0
Last trophy: 1995 (Charity Shield!!)

Big club?? :D

Under David Moores, we won every trophy available bar the league, are about to have €715 million pumped into the club, and a new stadium. And the suitors looking at the blue-eyed monster across the road are.....Tesco!!!! :D

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Originally Posted by papa-j

All this nitpicking is tiresome reading. The facts are plain to see. Liverpool are by far the more sucessful,more ambitious,wealthier, bigger fan base, better assets, better players, more illiustrious past and brighter future than most of the clubs in Europe never mind Everton. So Everton got a draw, good for them. It was a good result given the obvious gulf in playing class and resources between the clubs. Every dog has his day but the reality is that the odd victory or draw against a Liverpool or a Man Utd and the odd cup run is about all the toffees have to look forward to. Now thats depressing and you can see the resentment in the Everton fans. Liverpool have had a similar type resentment towards Man Utd with their league success but the Fa Cups, Uefa Cup and Champions league have eased the pain. The new investment should help bring closure to any argument with a league title on the horizon during the next few years.

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every dog has its day , or even 2 days

no one is saying liverpool arent a big club , we re just saying they arent the only big club while liverpool have had more money success etc for the last 20 years for the 90 or so years before that everton where the big club in england , its swings and roundabouts any one with any clue about football will know you cant stay on top for ever and every club has dips .

Utd went for 28 years with out winning anything would you call them a small club ???

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Originally Posted by anto1208

every dog has its day , or even 2 days

no one is saying liverpool arent a big club , we re just saying they arent the only big club while liverpool have had more money success etc for the last 20 years for the 90 or so years before that everton where the big club in england , its swings and roundabouts any one with any clue about football will know you cant stay on top for ever and every club has dips .

Utd went for 28 years with out winning anything would you call them a small club ???

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I take it you are agreeing with me(sort of) when clubs have a period in the doldrums they cling to their past history for comfort. Utd did it and came through again to be sucessful liverpool havn't had as much of a barron period with the various cup wins but until the league title comes back then it will always feel like we are under achieving.
The difference today is that its impossible for anyone outside the top four to come back and challenge without serious financial investment. Swings and roundabouts dont come into it...its about hard cash.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

every dog has its day , or even 2 days

no one is saying liverpool arent a big club , we re just saying they arent the only big club while liverpool have had more money success etc for the last 20 years for the 90 or so years before that everton where the big club in england

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20 years ago was 1986/7, maybe your history needs a refresh.;)

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Originally Posted by mypost

:rolleyes:

Every one I've been at since the cup semi-final 6 years ago, we've either won or drawn, but never lost.

Going back on-topic, to the LFC fans outside Liverpool, Liverpool-Everton is just another local derby. The really big one for the rest of us comes on March 3rd, the Premiership "El Grande Clasico".

As regards Everton's big club delusion, let's have a look at their massive haul of championships:

Last 30 years: 2
Last 20 years: 0
Last trophy: 1995 (Charity Shield!!)

Big club?? :D

Under David Moores, we won every trophy available bar the league, are about to have €715 million pumped into the club, and a new stadium. And the suitors looking at the blue-eyed monster across the road are.....Tesco!!!! :D

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the football league started 30 years ago oh right.

and for the last time i know liverpool fans are nt that bright but tesco are nt investing in everton , but ieven if they where id prefer to have a british company with and evertonian as there boss buying into the club rather than selling out to the yanks.

makes liverpool fan look stupid now for all the slagging they gave UTD or the comments about buying the league to chelsea fans now they are trying to do the same .

ah bless they are special

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Originally Posted by anto1208

the football league started 30 years ago oh right.

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Oh I don't know why i bother but:
Liverpool leagues:

1900-01, 1905-06, 1921-22, 1922-23, 1946-47, 1963-64, 1965-66, 1972-73, 1975-76, 1976-77, 1978-79, 1979-80, 1981-82, 1982-83, 1983-84, 1985-86, 1987-88, 1989-90

Everton Leagues
1891, 1915, 1928, 1932, 1939,
1963, 1970, 1985, 1987

10-7 pre 30 years ago, mr Everton more successful yadda yadda yadda yawn.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

no one is saying liverpool arent a big club

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forget something? :D

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Originally Posted by anto1208

i suppose it must be embarresing after spending 100 mill more than us and all the self promotion about being a big club ( which ye're not )

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im leaving behind all this big club small club nonsence , im bored by the small bitter petty liverpool fans that have to invent some nonsence slag because there team cant give them anything else to slag us about .


RE ARTETTA SPAIN CALL UP

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archiv...es.html?page=1

Although he faces competition with Liverpool's Xabi Alonso, Arsenal's Cesc Fabregas and Barcelona's Xavi, Aragones admits Arteta is very close to getting the chance to show what he can do.

And playing for a club with such a rich tradition as Everton has not gone unnoticed by the Spanish boss.

He continues: "He must keep improving. I think he knows this. But he is at a good club. Everton are a big club, a massive club. There is no doubt about that. They have won lots of titles.

“I have a good friend in Spain who is an Everton fan and he is always telling me about them. Liverpool is a proud football city but whenever it comes to a choice in my affections, I choose Everton.

“On average, every year you get between four and five players breaking into the squad. Of course, I will always look to pick the players who are in form.”

RE VAUGHANS COME BACK :

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archiv...he-double.html

James Vaughan bagged a brace as several Everton players were in international action on Tuesday evening.

He scored two second half goals for England under 19s as they defeated Poland.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

im leaving behind all this big club small club nonsence , im bored by the small bitter petty liverpool fans that have to invent some nonsence slag because there team cant give them anything else to slag us about .

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AKA I'm talking sh!te and have been shown up.

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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

AKA I'm talking sh!te and have been shown up.

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YAWN .

context my good man , there are two debates going on the one about club history as it has turned into now and the one that started it all when rafa clamed liverpool are a big club in the present tense and everton are a small club ie "when small clubs come here" i dont think he was talking about when teams come to anfield in the 80's.

over liverpools full history yes they are a big club so are everton , over the last few years neither are a big club because neither have challenged for the tittle . to claim liverpool are a big club because of there history then equally everton are a big club because of there history .

now thats the last time im being dragged back into this nonsence its getting boring

True though.

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Originally Posted by papa-j

Every dog has his day but the reality is that the odd victory or draw against a Liverpool or a Man Utd and the odd cup run is about all the toffees have to look forward to.

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3-0, 0-0
Total Derby Superiority. :p

Surprised you're putting Liverpool in the same bracket as Manure here. When you compare both sides over the last 15 years the Mancs clearly come out on top.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

YAWN .

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That's YNWA silly :D

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Originally Posted by mypost

And the suitors looking at the blue-eyed monster across the road are.....Tesco!!!! :D

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Yeah one of the biggest corporations in the UK, whats your point?

Anto,

First of all you claimed Everton were the bigger club over the first 90 years until it was pointed out that Liverpool had won 10 titles to your 7.

Then you said no-one had said that Liverpool were not a big club until I showed you that you yourself had said it just hours earlier.

Take your beating like a man, this is embarressing for you.

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Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs

lets be honest with all this small club rubbish-everton are the ones keeping it going.moyes the ceo and only yesterday carsley ON INTERNATIONAL DUTY brought it up.

anto i had mates sitting in the main stand near the away end and one person kept doing the smothering gestures.but theres always one in fairness.

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i dont understand explain a smothering gesture, not being smart i just have no idea what that would look like