Eligibility proposal

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

Finally, its all just a bit of craic, refers to this myopic view, whereby when someone states something, its just a bit of banter, but when its turned around the other way, its anything but. Nothing political in it whatsoever.

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if i am being offhand or engaging in banter then i will use a smilie to indicate so. If you see my view as myopic then thats your perogative , but dont denigrate it. I see it is every bit as valid as your own or i would not put it forward. It's far from a bit of craic as the countless pages on this subject has shown.

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Originally Posted by lopez

Don't support us then! Set up your own team with your own anthems and your own easily offended players then! As long as any player from any part of Ireland (or their descendants) can continue playing for the current Irish team, good f*cking riddance to you.

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Here here!!!

In the case of rugby why should members of the irish rugby team not sing the irish national anthem?

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

I didnt say that I said if it sang GSTQ it would no longer be the Irish rugby team.

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The question was:

"Would you still support the Ireland Rugby Team if it:"

Your response was :

"b) No I wouldnt , but it wouldnt be the Irish team then so it would not be a choice i would have to make. I am happy with our Irish team flag by the way as seen at the world cup , its very nice."

My question is still the same, why should someone in Northern Ireland "look at themselves" for not supporting the team on the National Anthem Issue?

The Irish Rugby team represents 2 Countries, not just your own.

In response to your other posts, it is good to see progress being made, but remember that the Belfast match was only about 6 months ago.

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Originally Posted by lopez

And I said because they hold Irish citizenship.

Thanks.

Maik Taylor would not be eligible to German citizenship even if he was born outside the barracks and his parents were not soliders because at the time of his birth, Maik Taylor needed a German parent to gain it. (GR: Once again I am directing one of your compatriots to the term Jus Sanguinnis).

But the point is what connection does he have with the O6C? You want us to stop people playing for us who 'have never stepped foot' in the 26C (highly unlikely) but want to continue playing Maik Taylor and co because they qualify through a British passport.

The Rules have changed twice since then. He is no longer eligible for Northern Ireland. I was merely telling you why he was eligible.

As he says, it is no longer an Irish team with that anthem. Neither is NI.

Utter nonsense. I am Northern Irish, and every bit as valid an Irishman as you, and it has nothing to do with which passport I choose to carry, or which ones im entitled to.

The Northern (unionist) rugby fan has the choice. Either put up with it or b*gger off. We have an inclusive rugby anthem now and rugby flag. EG doesn't want the Sash added to the SS as - in the usual mock offence that is common from ourweeminds - he's not an Orangeman. But he's happy - and you to - with a song about a German who has as much ancestral links to NI as that Maik Taylor.

Less than 5% of Northern Irish people are in OO. But sure, dont let that stop you having a dig. And I, and im pretty sure EG has also said, would change the National Anthem given the choice/chance.

How about practicing what you preach and have the SS played before NI games.

Why on earth would we do that?

The IFA have miles to go to match the IRFU in its quest for inclusiveness with regards to the anthem - In fact, with the exception of Dublin, the SS has never been played at any of its games.

Its not your rugby team. Its our rugby, therein lies the difference.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! If you find us so offensive then f*ck off! Is that offensive enough?

Your a T**T. I just wanted to add something to my post that you would be able to understand, and quote correctly.

Heaven forbid you say anything political! :rolleyes:

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See above, responses in bold.

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

My question is still the same, why should someone in Northern Ireland "look at themselves" for not supporting the team on the National Anthem Issue?
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Because progress has been made on that issue and if that is the only objection then i think they could be the bigger person and support the team until finally it gets to a stage where the anthem thing is sorted to their satisfaction.

I myself would not support the team if GSTQ was its tune because i cannot identify with that song and thus couldnt identify with the team because were GSTQ the tune, the team would be so different as to be unidentifiable from the one we have now. Ulster players dont sing the irish national anthem becase they dont identify with it, they are the bigger men for playing for Ireland regardless. Perhaps some day I'll stand to GSTQ in ravenhill before Ireland kick off but that would be a day where GSTQ is being played due to the fact that Ireland is at home in Belfast , not because it is the national anthem.

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

Because progress has been made on that issue and if that is the only objection then i think they could be the bigger person and support the team until finally it gets to a stage where the anthem thing is sorted to their satisfaction.

I myself would not support the team if GSTQ was its tune because i cannot identify with that song and thus couldnt identify with the team because were GSTQ the tune, the team would be so different as to be unidentifiable from the one we have now. Ulster players dont sing the irish national anthem becase they dont identify with it, they are the bigger men for playing for Ireland regardless. Perhaps some day I'll stand to GSTQ in ravenhill before Ireland kick off but that would be a day where GSTQ is being played due to the fact that Ireland is at home in Belfast , not because it is the national anthem.

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Thats fine. Im sure you understand the point that Im making.

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

Thats fine. Im sure you understand the point that Im making.

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and you mine? ;-)

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

The Rules have changed twice since then. He is no longer eligible for Northern Ireland. I was merely telling you why he was eligible.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again. I couldn't care what the rules were, are or will be. I don't care who you pick. Don't bother justifying who is or was in your team and how they got there. Just don't start criticising our selection when all our players hold the nationality and citizenship connected with the team they play for (as recognised by FIFA).

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

Utter nonsense. I am Northern Irish, and every bit as valid an Irishman as you, and it has nothing to do with which passport I choose to carry, or which ones im entitled to.

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The fact that you wish to be represented by the British national anthem and the British flag means your Irishness is not a nationality but a regionality. If you feel somehow more 'plastic' than those of us that regard our Irishness as our nationality, then I suggest you reconsider your allegiance.

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

Less than 5% of Northern Irish people are in OO. But sure, dont let that stop you having a dig. And I, and im pretty sure EG has also said, would change the National Anthem given the choice/chance.

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And 45% of the popualtion of NI is Nationalist. But guess which song (OO or Nationalist) I've heard sung by NI fans at WP (And notwithstanding the youtube fillum from Cardiff). Anyway, I sung 'The Sash' leaving a Celtic game at Loftus Road five years ago with a good Fermanagh man. (Got some odd looks it must be said). It may come as a surprise to you that neither of us are members of the OO (I don't think they'd have us, and not just because of our bad singing).

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

Its not your rugby team. Its our rugby, therein lies the difference.

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It's the team of the people of Ireland. The majority want to hear the SS at Irish games. The majority of the players sing it. I'd say that the majority would accept a compromise that doesn't diminish the teams Irishness. I'd be happy with both flags (Irish and NI) and two anthems providing neither are the national anthem of England/Britain.

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Originally Posted by Absinthe

Your a T**T. I just wanted to add something to my post that you would be able to understand, and quote correctly.

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Aw shucks! Am I supposed to be offended by THAT? :D

I think the IRFU has done more than enough to accommodate the minority interests of our wee ones up North. Don't forget the team represents the whole of the island and its isles. And as such the majority interests of the people of the Ireland should be openly paraded, represented, and draped in tricolours.

The whinging of wee keyboard warriors on their WUMing crusade should feel the force of a ROG kick to the touchline.

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

Because progress has been made on that issue and if that is the only objection then i think they could be the bigger person and support the team until finally it gets to a stage where the anthem thing is sorted to their satisfaction.

I myself would not support the team if GSTQ was its tune because i cannot identify with that song and thus couldnt identify with the team because were GSTQ the tune, the team would be so different as to be unidentifiable from the one we have now. Ulster players dont sing the irish national anthem becase they dont identify with it, they are the bigger men for playing for Ireland regardless. Perhaps some day I'll stand to GSTQ in ravenhill before Ireland kick off but that would be a day where GSTQ is being played due to the fact that Ireland is at home in Belfast , not because it is the national anthem.

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Does that mean your refusal to accept GSTQ makes you the smaller man?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Does that mean your refusal to accept GSTQ makes you the smaller man?

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My refusal to accept GSTQ is because I'm not English or even British.

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Originally Posted by lopez

The fact that you wish to be represented by the British national anthem and the British flag means your Irishness is not a nationality but a regionality. If you feel somehow more 'plastic' than those of us that regard our Irishness as our nationality, then I suggest you reconsider your allegiance.

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I think you must be having a totally different discussion in your head, as opposed to what im actually typing.

This is the third time today, you are quoting me as saying something I havent said.

You are stating as fact that I wish to be represented by the British National Anthem.

Tell me, oh great one:

Am I a monarchist?
What did I have for breakfast?
Where was I born?

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

Because progress has been made on that issue and if that is the only objection then i think they could be the bigger person and support the team until finally it gets to a stage where the anthem thing is sorted to their satisfaction.

I myself would not support the team if GSTQ was its tune because i cannot identify with that song and thus couldnt identify with the team because were GSTQ the tune, the team would be so different as to be unidentifiable from the one we have now. Ulster players dont sing the irish national anthem becase they dont identify with it, they are the bigger men for playing for Ireland regardless. Perhaps some day I'll stand to GSTQ in ravenhill before Ireland kick off but that would be a day where GSTQ is being played due to the fact that Ireland is at home in Belfast , not because it is the national anthem.

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I really hope you are joking.

I'll tell you one thing when Ireland play home games in belfast. There will be no game if GSTQ is played as the anthem.

I bet you any money the majority of players would refuse to play and rightly so IMO.

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Players who want to play with the northern team (some would say sectarian team) can if they want.

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"Some" being true bigots.

Wildly off-topic: If there was a way of just gently nudging NI away, over toward iceland perhaps, I gladly would. Sick of hearing about the place. If people want to live in Republic of Ireland, just drive down, stop making a fuss. There's plenty of room, and the petrol is cheaper here anyway. The way they go on, you'd swear no-one else had ever lost a war before.

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

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I'll tell you one thing when Ireland play home games in belfast. There will be no game if GSTQ is played as the anthem.

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The IRFU deem games in Belfast to be "away" fixtures.

I'm sure the Shinners are spiting blood over that little revelation.:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

The IRFU deem games in Belfast to be "away" fixtures.

I'm sure the Shinners are spiting blood over that little revelation.

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And if they deemed it a home game and didn't play the German Lady, your mates on ourweeminds would have been spitting blood over that too (I won't ask how they're taking the news from Zurich :D)

No they dont. Im sure they realise Belfast is our 2nd city?

Not Brazi, somebody has the nerve to say what many others think else about the northern team and they are a biggot! Dont make me laugh. I never said i thought it was sectarian. I said others do. Im only stating fact.

Anyway this topic has gone way off topic

I come on this forum every day and this thread makes me laugh the most. Keep up the good work lads!!!

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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry

Not Brazi, somebody has the nerve to say what many others think else about the northern team and they are a biggot! Dont make me laugh. I never said i thought it was sectarian. I said others do. Im only stating fact.

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And he said they were bigots. He never said you were.