who tho? eirebhoy posted a thing a while back maby on another site about how celtic players earn more than for example aquilani earns with roma.
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who tho? eirebhoy posted a thing a while back maby on another site about how celtic players earn more than for example aquilani earns with roma.
Hardly likely that anyone at Celtic is earning more than Aquilani, Italian salary caps have more holes than a strainer.
I love the way the article refers to Strachan as the real reason Celtic have won whatever amount of titles in a row. Some of Strachans dealings in the transfer market have been championship manager-esque (and not in a good way).
Hopefully McGeady gets out of there. It will be the only positive solution.
It sounds like McGeady is one of those players who have gotten a few seasons under their belts and now believes his own hype. I know he is only young, but this year he seems to have realised he is a "footballer" and is beyond criticism. His career can go 2 ways now.
1) He keeps going the way he is headed now, believing he is better than he is and throwing strops and will end up at a mid table/low level club like middlesborough or wigan. Having the odd good game, but generally just plodding along
2) He has a word with himself, gets his head down and works hard at becoming the player he could be.
Neither of these are dependant on him staying at Celtic
But no matter who you are, having a go at your manager in front of the rest of the team when he comments on how poor you were, is not something you should ever do. If you feel you are being treated harshly, wait and have a word in private. The manager has to keep control of the whole squad. If Strachan had let McGeady away with it and said nothing, how would he handle the next time if Samaras, or Hartley has a go back??
Hope you are wrong but my bet is on (1).Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Do you ever have anything positive to contribute in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Just seems like you enjoy having a dig at him.
How very apt your Handle isQuote:
Originally Posted by Spanner
Not sure I would agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Strachan and McGeady have simply never seen ‘eye to eye’ and there has been tension between the two since Strachan replaced Martin O’Neill in 2005. Strachan certainly seems to have a dislike for Aiden, for whatever reason?
Things seem to have come to a head this season, starting with Strachan banning McGeady from attending the video debriefing after the 4-2 defeat by Rangers and then dropping him from the starting line-up for the next couple of games, thus giving the impression that McGeady was responsible for the Rangers defeat (Which was simply not true).
I think the bust up after last weeks draw with Hearts, is the culmination of previous events and will probably lead to McGeady leaving Parkhead. (A good move for McGeady, as far as I’m concerned)
I have been keeping quiet on Mcgeadygate to be honest but to answer some ppl's queries about Mcgeady and Stachan, Strachan does not like him at all, there are quotes of him saying Mcgeady should be hung drawn and quartered (re his decision to play for Ireland) they hav never got on, and the death of Tommy Buurns whos served as a buffer between the two has hit Aiden hard.
I see ppl making negitive coments about Aiden Mcgeady on this tread, to you who I assume are Ireland fans I will say this, U are ungrateful swine, a player of such talent and you r intent on running him down??
He is the most exciting player since Damian duff to pull on an Irish jersey, a flair player which we are seriously short n in our team and all hegets for it is critisim from idios who don't know a talant when they see it.:mad:
Usually I am for the little man in these situations but Strachan has that card in a permanent vice grip grasp.
Trap has persisted with playing McGeady for the 90 minutes and is well pleased at his attitude. We all know Trap likes a smile on a player who also follows instructions.
It looks obvious that McGeady needs to move. You suspect that even if McGeady took his punishment on the chin and tried to win back his place, Strachan is not mature enough to deal with him objectively but remembers grudges with a vengeance.
It's obviously hard to be critical of a guy who's won a number of titles in a row, but I'm not sure I really respect Strachan as a manager that much. He rarely gives young players a chance, and relies on financial dominance over everybody but Rangers.
He persists with some pretty mediocre defenders, and seems to lack the man-management skills of world-class managers.
McGeady never comes across as an arrogant guy- if anything I wish he had a bit more of an attitude as I think it would really help him become an even better player.
Some players need a pat on the back from time to time, and I think McGeady is one of those guys.
There is a time for discipline, but not after a f*cking draw!
McGeady was probably the most important player in Celtic's title win last season. To treat a guy who has served you so well only a season ago with the humiliation of criticism in front of his teammates after a draw seems a bit much.
Factor in McGeady's injury situation, and Strachan's behaviour seems even more absurd.
Would Strachan manage a club to league titles anywhere but the goldfish bowl that is the spl and he has been lucky that for most of his time in scotland rangers have been low on readies and not blessed with great managers either.Walter Smith is probably better than either McLeish or Le Guen and i am pretty sure that he(Smith) has a very good record against Celtic in the old firm matches since returning.
Strachan's record as a manager in England was pretty average and though he has won league titles he has not convinced a lot of people that he is a good manager.As I have already said Rangers have not put up a great battle during Strachan's time.
What had Strachan achieved as a manager before coming to Celtic and I do not believe that he will achieve a lot after leaving Celtic and I for one would not be too upset if Sunderland or another club managed to prize him away from Celtic.
From what I know of McGeady he doesn't seem to have an attitude. Strachan's dislike of him is fairly well known. Trapp, who is not exactly Mr. warm and cuddly, seems to like McGeady which suggests that he doesn't have an attitude. I think it's time he left Celtic and got on with his career. I am always delighted when he pulls on the Irish jersey.
You may be right, and I hope you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcgeady46
But the question us doubters have is when is he going to show this talent and excitement in an Irish jersey??? He hasn't done so yet!!!
Exactly right, I've yet to see him play well for Ireland, I hope he turns out better than Pele but on the evidence I've seen of him in a green shirt I fear notQuote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
He needs a new club quickly.
He's pretty much already in the "had potential, never really delivered" pile with all the previous hyped Irish youngsters who never made it.
A new club and regular football might be the spark he needs to save his career from mediocrity.
With that reckoning, that would leave Pat McCourt in the never even been mediocre yet, hardly even got close enough to have a whiff of being mediocre.
well its all relative tbh.
I hope Aiden gets his much speculated move in January, he has the talent to play for a big club in the bigger European leagues and deserves his shot at the big time. I admire him for having picked the country of his heritage to play for and thus having to endure the consequences - these being the vile sectarian/ethnic abuse levelled at him at most away grounds in Scotland and in his private life by all accounts. He is one of our own and an attack on him in this way, is an attack on us.
Unfortunately the same fate awaits young James MacCarthy. He has already started to receive this treatment and he too will have to show similar courage in the face of adversity. The sooner both leave Scottish football the better.
They should be embraced by us all for their decision - it shows considerable bravery for people so young. :)
These young lads deserve great credit for their decision to play for Ireland and while this does not absolve them from critism from Irish football fans it should be remembered that the lads deserve some backup against the sectarian sections of Scottish " society"Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
It is very surprising to me how come the scottish nation does not question itself over the situation it finds itself over these players.
heres what happened in the changing room
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6...anfightgp3.gif
Excellent
I think he should go, I don't rate Strachan as a manager. The SPL is a two horse race, with the squad Celtic have they should always been in with at least a 50-50 chance of winning it. Last season Rangers imploded, and while you have to take your hats off to Celtic for winning those matches at the end, they were in a really dicey spot from around March (it looked like Rangers had the SPL in the bag). In Europe Strachan has not impressed me, this season has been a total disaster, Aalborg are a weak side and Celtic should have got at least 4 points of them, 2nd place was a realistic target for Celtic, but a lack of concentration and poor tactics cost them against Man Utd (home) and the two Aalborg games.
O'Neil was a much better manager, when you look at the matches against Liverpool, Boavista, Blackburn, Stuttgart... these are all quality teams. Even against Porto in the final Celtic were unlucky, with Bobo Balde making a tired error. You could never imagine a Strachan team doing this well and the squads are not that different from then and now.
I hope not... you wouldn't wish that on your own worst enemy. And Downing is one of the most over-hyped players in the world. As John Gregory said, if he was right footed he'd be a league 1 player.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Sadly some parts of Scotland are still highly sectarian in this respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
I think it is best for McGeady to move at this stage. I'd hope he would do better than Middlesboro too.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
I would normally back the Irish player too but if even half the things he is rumoured to have said to Strachan are true then he has to go. I just hope he isn't left to rot in the reserves.
Yesterday's News of the screws story re partying after his dressingroom showdown with Strachan won't help either.
Given McCourt has already declared for Northern Ireland I don't really see what relevance this is to anything, other than a pretty poor effort at a troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
But in answer to it, I'd agree, and I'd be very surprised if McCourt succeeds anymore this time than he did his previous time across the water.
The most repeated story from credible sources is that he called Strachan an asshóle a number of times, for which McGeady has apologised in some formQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
But if you read the NOTW and are exposed to like minded "sources", the sky is the limit with rumours.
Seriously? if the story had a grain of truth, then maybe.Quote:
Yesterday's News of the screws story re partying after his dressingroom showdown with Strachan won't help either
While it may not be the most reliable of sources the facts it quoted such as the Hotel name, team-mate police being called do not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
While the paper is known to exaggerate I think it's safe to assume that he did leave the dessingroom head to Edinburgh and have a night on the town, stay in the named Hotel and was involved incidents that required police intervention. The fact that no charges are being brought would suggest it was a minor matter but still it does not reflect well on the player.
At best the term "f$%king ar$€hole" was used repeatedly. Then they start going off and getting more and more lurid.
Do you have a source for the apology? My understanding is that he is appealing the ban. See BBC Scotland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/7787793.stm
Yesterday's Herald (Scottish not ours) also implies that there hasn't been one
http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/hea...oe_McGeady.php
The main point is that from our perspective he is better off out of the club rather than rotting in the reserves.
It is safe to assume that if you believe the paper. The report is denied.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
What was a minor matter? how about no charges because there was nothing to charge?Quote:
The fact that no charges are being brought would suggest it was a minor matter but still it does not reflect well on the player.
says sorryQuote:
Do you have a source for the apology?
Does not mean he can't say sorry but appeal the harshness of a suspension.Quote:
My understanding is that he is appealing the ban. See BBC Scotland
Anyway that's an old source. The fact that he had thought he had grounds for appealing, considering that there were plenty of witnesses, would suggest that the language used was nothing too far beyond the ordinary (but disrespectful).
I think it is better that McGeady takes his punishment, gets back his place and can decide whats on offer in the Summer.Quote:
The main point is that from our perspective he is better off out of the club rather than rotting in the reserves
His choices would be greater.
He is not leaving under a cloud.
He would have demonstrated that he is capable of taking his discipline and
buckling down. Better for the club too.
As long as Strachan is mature enough to manage the player.
Troll? that sounds intolerant and missing the point by a country mile.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
McCourt was a Derry City player who has gone to Celtic, you are a Derry City fan that's the connection, you might be familiar with McCourt's skill.
You might even have been appreciative of McCourt.
Yet would you label him worse than mediocre? He can't get near the Celtic first team.
McGeady has enough appreciation from his club fans & manager and his international manager that hype can not sustain.
Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The "mail understands" doesn't mean he apologised. No quotes from him or his agent as opposed to the other links stating he was appealing. A public apology or confirming in public that he has apologised would be the first step to clearing this up.
What exactly is being denied about the night in Edinburgh? Was he at home tucked up in bed in Glasgow? Did he stay in the hotel? Was he out that night in Edinburgh? Were the police called to the hotel in the early hours?
It is better for Ireland that hye is playing regularly at the highest level possible. He has had a poor season after being player of the eyar last season. I suspect last week was the culmination of a few things.
I would have hoped he'd have moved on to a much bigger club than Celtic and possibly one of the top 4 or 5 in the premiership or the continent.
I'm not sure what Strachan is supposed to have done wrong here. I appreciate there is an element of the support that don't like him for being not "Celtic minded" and will turn on him for everything.
Unless Celtic players fancy staying in 7 nights a week the only option is a quiet meal in Glasgow or a Saturday night out in Edinburgh. It sounds like the police call was a hoax.
A Lothian and Borders Police spokesman said: “We received a call saying that a hotel room booked by Aiden McGeady had been badly damaged. However, when officers arrived there didn’t appear to be any damage and no action has been taken.”
What I do find interesting is that he was out with Ben Hutchinson. Hutchinson has been excellent for the reserves and is the top scorer in the league by far. Strachan still won't give him a chance though and publicly critisised him after a substitute appearance against Man Utd saying he looked lost.
He certainly has his favourites which I find strange considering his relationship with Ferguson who Strachan admits he stuck his finger up at after scoring for Aberdeen once after a half time row.
There will always be battles, disagreements & personality clashes within any team set-up and Strachan has had his fair share of those over the last three years at Celtic, for example when he got rid of the nucleus of the O’Neill team, Chris Sutton, Petrov, Alan Thompson etc….
But the McGeady episode seems different to me, it feels personal rather than team related. Sutton, Thompson etc.. were all senior, mature players who had a strong influence within the dressing room and Strachan felt he had to make changes to take control of the dressing room and mould his own team, which is perfectly understandable.
I just don’t get why he seems to have a real dislike for the young player. Even last season, when McGeady had a terrific year and won almost every player of the year award available in Scotland, Strachan was always lukewarm in his praise for McGeady, and while he certainly recognised his ability, he was never animated in his conversations regarding his player.
Although, he was open enough in a BBC interview, prior to his appointment as Celtic boss, when he called McGeady a “traitor” and said he should be “hung, drawn and quartered” over his decision to represent Ireland rather than Scotland.
The poor McGeady/Strachan relationship has bubbled away over the last three years and it it’s said that Tommy Burns was the ‘referee’ who stopped it boiling over during that time and perhaps the sad passing of Tommy Burns has simply allowed Strachan the chance to force McGeady’s hand. Although perhaps it is only now that Strachan feels he has enough control to engineer the end of McGeady’s time at Celtic Park.
McGeady was obviously wrong to shout abuse at the manager after the Hearts game, even if he did feel he was being unfairly singled out (as was the case earlier in the season, when Strachan banned him from the room during the post match talk after the Rangers defeat).
To be honest, I don’t really care if Celtic win,lose or draw every week and I am more concerned that Irish players are playing regularly, progressing and thus improving our chances on the international stage, and for McGeady, just like Darren O’Dea, their international prospects would be better served, if they are far away from Parkhead.
I don’t think McGeady will ever be a superstar, but at 22 and with a wealth of experience behind him, the right team and manager could mould him into a very important player for Ireland in the future.
Agree with you there co. down green. Strachan using terms like 'traitor' and 'hung, drawn and quartered' in relation to McGeady's decision to play for us were never going to be helpful in fostering a sound relationship between the two. He made the comments on 'football focus' and even if they were said in some jest, they probably did betray his true feelings on the subject - rightly or wrongly.
Surely Aiden will now move in January. Hopefully to a big club in one of Europe's top leagues. I wish him the best.
McGeady feels Strachan doesn't like him and blames him for when the team doesn't perform as a whole. When they lost to Rangers earlier in the season Strachan banned McGeady from attending a team meeting afterwards. The only player he singled out for such treatment despite numerous other Celtic players playing far worse on the day. Plus Strachan has always been incredibly reluctant to issue any praise to McGeady even while winning player of the year last season in Scotland. Preferring to big up far less talented players in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Strachan according to "sources" in the media only gets on McGeady's case as he wants him to fulfill his potential as he believes he's the most naturally talented player at the club.
Basically they don't get on. McGeady is probably someone who needs the arm over the shoulder and a word in the ear a la Tommy Burns who was his mentor. He just won't get that from Strachan.
Maybe its a case of two people that dont get on and if that is the case one of them will have to leave and that is normally the player but not always.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon 7
At 22 years old and with a lot of senior games played Aiden probably should not need so much of the hand over the shoulder.
The time is right for Aiden to go and wouldn't it be great if M O'Neill took him to Aston Villa.
From reading the above I'm more convinced than ever that he needs to move to January.
We need Aiden palying regularly and happy with his lot.
He has a lot of talent. He may not be the next Ronaldo but can be a key player for us.
Still nothing to do with the Ireland thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
FYI McCourt has been injured for most of the time since he left Derry. Indeed, he was injured a lot whilst at Derry. Regardless of whether or not he's able enough, he's nowhere near robust enough to survive at the top level.
Again, completely OTT in relation to McGeady, who has failed to live up to expectations in the Ireland jersey, which is really only what I care about.
It's not about the ability of McCourt or whether he was injured or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I asked you would you regard him as worse than mediocre if he failed to nail down a place in the club team.
Your assessment of McGeady was OTT, that's what I care about.
If there is hype around McGeady, it has no relevance to his real ability.
He has made enough progress to be the club POTY last season and is the current first choice for his national team manager.
Hype has nothing to do with what he has achieved so far. He has delivered on his evident potential, according to Trap and has plenty of room to improve.
Don't think he'd start with Villa. They have Milner and Young on the wings who are in great form. He'd be back up to the two of themQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Whatever about Young he is more talented than Milner.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz