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I've given Hill and Canham the benefit of the doubt on this one up to now. But they really are running out of rope here. If they do indeed have their man then they need to get on with announcing him early next week and put all this nonsense to bed. Whereas if they've been bluffing all along and they don't have someone decent lines up after this long a search then they should both resign.
Hardly could be "officially" a shambles. I would be inclined to think that it has been but when the ultimate appointment is made then you'll have your confirmation. Otherwise, it's "shambles" is an assumption based on media noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
When Canham pulls back the curtain and we are left with O'Shea or something similar then everyone is going to know it has been an absolute sh*tshow... I'm praying that I am surprised with Anthony Barry or Lee Carsley...
I'm half expecting to read that John O'Shea has ruled himself out for it one of these days
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Please ask Chris Hughton!
https://www.the42.ie/gus-poyet-turns...urce=shortlink
Interesting that this is now being reported by David Sneyd, one of the few Irish football journalists I would rate to some extent.
I think Hill and Canham's positions are verging on untenable now.
For what it's worth, here's one possible timeline of what might have happened in the last five months or so. I'm absolutely not saying this is definitely what happened, just that it would tie in with some of what's been published by the more credible journalists that follow the Irish team.
Kenny was rightly sacked in November after we lost to everyone in our Euros group twice, apart from Gibraltar. At that point Carsley was most people's first choice for the job, including it seems the FAI.
Discussions took place with Carsley, but over time it transpired that the two sides weren't going to be able to work it out. At this stage Lennon was the back-up option, but that went out the window once his private life started getting brought up, including at least one tweet by a politician on the matter.
So, having gone back to the drawing board, they came up with Sagnol. Sagnol was provisionally on board, all that needed to happen was for Georgia to not qualify for the Euros and it was done. So they went for O'Shea as interim to deal with the March window and Canham was confident enough to issue some fairly bullish responses at that press conference about an early April appointment. Of course, then Georgia beat Greece on penalties to qualify and that blew the whole thing up on them (this would tie in with Dan McDonnell's tweet during the week).
So, in a panic, they offered a contract to the "break glass in case of emergency option" - Poyet. Only for him to turn them down too when they couldn't agree terms, as per David Sneyd's report this evening. Which leads us to where we are this weekend - up **** creek by the sounds of things.
Of course, almost none of the above could be true and the FAI might somehow have a name to announce next week. I wouldn't bet on it though.
Really was hoping Keane would get it. Not sure it would go well but it would **** off all the right people.
If this has all fallen apart I'd agree that it's time for Hill and Canham to hit the road. It's looking like they've made a complete balls of this.
Niall Quinn should be running the FAI anyway.
If the stuff from Sneyd about the Association wanting to pick at least some of the coaching staff is true, then it's probably easy enough to see why they're in this mess to be fair. That reflects badly on Canham that he can't source a candidate who he's happy with to just bring in their own people.
Roy or Robbie?Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
Robbie would be a gamble, but at this stage I might be willing to roll the dice. Roy would be a disaster whose sole saving grace would be the distraction he'd cause from the on-the-pitch issues.
I don't get this either. If it's succession planning related or some attempt at a structure from senior to underage then why not put someone in as manager of the 21s? A part of me wonders how serious they even are about all that if Crawford is still in situ, to be honest....Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Imagine a double ticket. Everyone fuming for various reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Was at the two friendlies and the place is like a morgue. A Keane x2 headline act would up the ante a bit at least.
Must as there are elements of the Irish support that annoy me I'm not sure ****ing off about 95% of the core support base is really the way for the FAI to go right now...
Tis kinda bad that ~ ~ The Irish Manager's job can't even generate a few decent rumours ~ ~ Things are bad ! !
Why would they break character now? Anyone in the support who isn't already ****ed off by the FAI is probably more a part of the problem than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
You've a few posts above about pro-Keane people that would **** off a fair few supporters as well so I'm surprised to hear you aren't in favour of a bit of controversy!
I'll bang a drum at this stage - the way thinks are now the FAI need to go with the known product - the solid record and safe pair of hands - Chris Hughton.
Hughton may not light up the world with an Irish team, but they will be solid, disciplined and structured - the players will know what they are supposed to be doing - and with Ferguson upfront, Hughton could well open up the playing style to suit him. At worst Hughton will lay the foundation for his successor (like he did at Newcastle and Brighton).
Have a look at how he approached Brighton's 3-2 win over Man Utd - and having what was no more than a Championship team at his disposal - Ryan, Montoya, Duffy, Dunk, Bong, Knockart, Stephens, Propper, March, Gross and Murray - Man U team was De Gea, Young, Bailly, Lindelof, Shaw, Fred Pereira, Pogba, Mata, Lukaku, Martial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_TAQBqKtJk
And the highlights of that Brighton v Man U game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4LNu4unwrg
The Chris Hughton of 10 years ago would be a magnificent appointment but he's 65 now and his career is in a tailspin. His record with Ghana as a powerhouse in Africa of 4 wins in 13 including defeats to Comoros and Cape Verde was dreadful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
I wouldn't be surprised if he was done with management after that.
It's just a joke mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
That's a reference to the catholic church (as it was), not Christianity.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Anyway back to footy...
This shouldn't be surprising to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
The job just isn't an attractive opportunity at present, and it'll remain that way until some good talent emerges in central midfield.
Been through this before - Ghana have been a major downward spiral for years before Hughton took over - the entire Ghanaian FA nearly collapsed under the weight of a corruption scandal in 2019.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Getting Ghana to AFCON was actually a significant achievement and wouldn’t have happened without Hughton. But go ahead and dismiss a coach who actually succeeded in qualifying a team for a major international tournament.
Still better than JOS as the manager though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Undoubtedly but people like the shiny new thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Does anyone actually want O'Shea? He has made no particular impression anywhere he has coached, Kenny seemed to take him on mainly due to a lack of alternative options and he showed nothing across the two games he stood in for to suggest that he has anything new to offer in the role. It would just be more of the same as we've had for the last four years, just with a likely extra layer of Brian Kerr conservatism added in to the mix as the crowds continue to dwindle away with the apathy further setting in. Who's going to want to watch more of what we saw against Switzerland last week?
I can't imagine how anyone would want O'Shea to get the gig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
The only reasons that he got the senior manager gig for two games was that he'd been working for the FAI before, had coaching experience at a good level and was a very successful player. Otherwise, he has no management experience and scant enough coaching achievement. Realistically, the FAI would put him in charge because of reasons 1) and 3) - they have employed him and worked with him before and he was a successful player. If they wanted to appoint someone with coaching achievements and management experience then they'd look elsewhere. If they wanted someone with coaching and management achievements then they reeeaallly would have to look elsewhere.
I'd say that Brian Barry Murphy would tick the boxes for coaching achievements and management experience. Maybe not management achievements. That's one example of a better qualified candidate.
The better qualified candidates with managerial success, well...
The thing with BBM is that we don't have the quality of players to play the type of game he would want to play. Could develop into another Kenny situation fairly quickly I'd fear.
They were one of the pre-tournament favourites and had qualified for all of the previous 9 tournaments in succession so I'm not sure that's quite the achievement you're making it out to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
I'll assume claiming that Ghana with both Ayews, Kudus, Partey etc would have been eliminated by the Central African Republic (a team that never qualified for anything, ranked #129 so around the level of the Faroe islands) without the guidance of Hughton is an April fools joke because surely you don't believe that?
Hughton has had an admirable career but I don't think he has much left to offer, I wouldn't be surprised if he has no future offers from anywhere.
They'd also been at the 2022 World Cup, which is a lot harder to qualify for.
Though one of the things about debating with JRG is to realise that, first off, you're wrong. Things go a lot smoother after that
Is Roberto Di Matteo the best manager to be (briefly) linked to the job?
Genuinely can’t see it being O’Shea - zero management experience and failed the interview. Anthony Barry is the only interesting name and even that is a huge gamble into the unknown.
If you assume that all of Poyet, Sagnol, Carsley and Lennon are definitely out of the running. Where does that leave us?
The irish candidates: Hughton (Kerr says he won’t take it), Duff (won’t take it), Robbie (inexperienced and ethical stuff re Israel), Roy (can’t afford him and it would be a train wreck), Bradley (a far less successful LOI manager than Kenny) - or a host of guys who have good coaching backgrounds but no management experience (Reid, McCarthy etc).
As for non-Irish candidates who haven’t been mentioned, these are who the bookies have less than 50/1. Jesse Marsch, Paul Clement, Slaven Bilic, Janne Andersson. All ranging from 28-40/1, so all super long shots.
We’re in early April now. My guess is still it’ll be Poyet and the story leaking is part of negotiations of him trying to bring in his own back room team.
David Sneyd today reporting that the Poyet link isn't dead yet. I've long thought that it would end up being him, but I don't think it was unreasonable to take it based on Canham's comments that it was all but a done deal. Clearly this is not the case.
Poyet is both a not particularly spectacular option and at the same time also about the only remaining option that doesn't absolutely terrify me. He's probably the only one left that would represent a clear upgrade on Kenny, I would describe the other options now being put forward as being about as bad as what went before.
Feel Poyet is just trying to use the FAI to drum up interest from other jobs.
https://www.gustavopoyet.com/en/than...ese-two-years/
Poyet and his management are enjoying this whole carry on.
Did they not hear Canham already has someone lined up that is capable or has a record of being a head coach and designing and implementing an entire structure from senior level to underage?
I get the feeling they thought they had Carsley on board and are now panicking.
Given that Canham and Hill are ex English FA, it will be truly pathetic if it transpires that the FA pulled their trousers all the way down by managing to change Carsley's mind. As if to say, we took this lad from the Eire and you lads joined the Eire so we are going to completely f*ck you if you think you're taking him off us.
And if this is the case, then they should be on borrowed time.
I hope it is not but this Poyet stuff is pointing in one direction.
Whatever about Poyet, if they end up with O'Shea they should definitely be moved on. I'm not sure there's an outcome at this point that allows them to emerge with a huge amount of credibility from the whole affair to be honest. Probably what will happen is that once all this is settled Hill will be let go. Canham might stay on for another while but then leave of his own accord. Bonner will be there forever.
I'd agree but losing a playoff to Georgia with Greece isn't exactly the sort of thing to inspire belief among club in Europe's elite leagues.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Poyet and the FAI might just be desperate enough for each other at this stage. That's the only way the FAI could end up considering appointing a loose cannon like Gus Poyet tbf!
Ghana were not anything close to pre tournament favourites, they managed to get into the final tournament with what was reckoned to be their worst ever squad. Ghanaian sports journalists were very pessimistic about getting out of the group stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Regardless, I did see enough of Chris' caution in 2 of Ghana's games to raise doubts about him for the Irish job even though (paradoxically) in no way should he be judged in anyway regarding the performance of Ghana.