Celtic Discussion

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Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
You say you feel affinity with Scottish club Celtic yet you are anti-Scottish. You are typical of the mindset among some Celtic fans which only emphasises the differences between Ireland and Scotland.

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Please explain to me where I stated I was anti-Scottish in my last post on this thread?

Regarding emphasising the differences between Scotland and Ireland are you saying it is wrong to state cetain facts in case they may be unpleasent to some people, although who would find my remarks in the post above offensive Im not quiet sure!?
Personally I think the way this thread has developed its only right that all aspects of the argument should be discussed as the "Oldfirm" itself is not something that has just sprung up over night

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Originally posted by Jam

And trivial arguments about which soldiers are stationed in N. Ireland miss the point entirely (by Lionel, not you Paddy). This is a conflict area (and spare me any potential ramblings about the the injustice of partition). It is 2003, not 1921, and the UK government is bending over backwards to manage the situation.

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That point was simply inserted to show a historical time line and to give another side to the history put forward by Paddy, nothing less nothing more.
However seeing as you have made an issue of it I will tell you that there is nothing trivail about the issue of soldiars stationed in N Ireland and your trivialization of the issues speaks volumes for you as a human being!

Be assured that I will not mention the "injustice of partition" (where the hell did this come from anyway? :rolleyes: ) as I see no point now or in the future discussing such a "trivail" issue with such a closed minded individual as yourself!

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Originally posted by Duncan Gardner
I'm, er, no fan of the Old Firm, but blaming them for the SNP's weakness is a bit rich. The Nats haven't been able to convince enough voters that they would handle the country's economy any better than Kircaldy boy Broon does. I have to say I've never met or even heard a single Scot rejecting a vote for the SNP for the reasons you describe.

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Some Celtic fans are anti-Scottish nationalist while being pro-Irish Republican. They should realise that an independent Scotland would mean the split-up of the United Kingdom and Irish reunification would be more likely.

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Originally posted by Lionel Hutz

Alot of the misery inflicted on Ireland (specialy in the last few hundred years) has been at the hands of Scottish people IMHO.

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That sounds a bit anti-Scottish.

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Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
That sounds a bit anti-Scottish.

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During the second world war Nazi Germany killed 5 million jews, as well as a large number of disabled people, gays, and gypsies.
More racist violence broke out after the collapse of the Berlin wall and the unification of the two Germanys, east and west during which time dozens of migrant workers and asylum seekrs were killed mainly in poorer areas of eastern Germany.

Does this make me "anti-German"?

To be honest Paddy reading back that post it makes me look like a smart arse but your accusing me of something that I am not which really ****es me off!
I hope we can get back to the topic and leave the accusations alone?
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What about the misery inflicted on the Irish people by the English, the Vikings etc? Also a large element of the British Army used to put down rebellions in Ireland were Irish.

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Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
Some Celtic fans are anti-Scottish nationalist while being pro-Irish Republican. They should realise that an independent Scotland would mean the split-up of the United Kingdom and Irish reunification would be more likely.

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I remember reading an article about the height of the Scots Nationalists power in the west of Scotland late 70's early 80's
when the leader of the party attended the annual Orange order Parade (held in some large park in the city center) and stood on a platform and said that Catholics were the real enemy of Scotland. The Scots Nats quickly denied this was a party political statement and claimed he was attending as a private individual,,,,,the man in question (elderly if I remember right) was quckly replaced but the damage was done.

I don't see how Catholics of Irish descent in Scotland voting for the Unionist British Labour Party is going to bring about a United Ireland. Look at the following which discredit your notion of a link between the Orange Order and the Scottish National Party.

www.sundayherald.com/16837
www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/tt18.htm
www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/gillies.htm

All Irish Nationalists should be Scottish Nationalists as well. Erin go bragh agus Alba gu brath!

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Originally posted by Paddy Ramone
I don't see how Catholics of Irish descent in Scotland voting for the Unionist British Labour Party is going to bring about a United Ireland. Look at the following which discredit your notion of a link between the Orange Order and the Scottish National Party.

www.sundayherald.com/16837
www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/tt18.htm
www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/gillies.htm

All Irish Nationalists should be Scottish Nationalists as well. Erin go bragh agus Alba gu brath!

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The Scots Nats trying to brush under the carpet the Orange rantings of an earlier party leader of course would condem any remarks made by some Lodge Grand secretary in Scotland which contained undertones of violence (it would be political suicide not too) There is some guy in the in the Scottish classical music scene who is well known over there (sorry his name escapes me,,,McMillan perhaps) set the cat amongst the pigeons a year or two ago by saying that anti catholic sentiment in Scotland was Scotlands secret shame. I think the Catholics of Irish descent would feel the bigots in high places would have more power in a Independant Scotland,,,voting Labour seems the lesser of all evils