You've nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
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You've nailed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Feed him to the lions!Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Down with that sort of thing! Careful now!Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
There should be nun of that around here, but Jesus is playing for Brazil so I don't see why we can't have him as manager since he can be everywhere all at once
Poyet is way ahead of Kenny (and O'Shea) in terms of managerial ability - he is a nutcase but it would be far from boring if he got the job.
Is Poyet 6/4 at Paddy Power? Can't access the odds from North America.
Great bunch of lads and girls.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
That is the strength of christianity / catholicism ~ Is that it is strong enough / confident enough to be made fun of.
On a wing and a prayer, we will get more out of a player.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Gus Poyet 6/4F
Willie Sagnol 9/4
John O'Shea 10/3
Robbie Keane 9/1
Anthony Barry 10/1
Roberto Di Matteo 11/1
20/1 Bar
You're not wrong in that assessment. All I'm saying is that if we're going for a combustible loudmouth with a patchy managerial record who's likely to set fire to the whole thing before they leave, then there's no way we should be looking past one Royston Keane Esq. A disaster, but a 'the craic is 91' disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
So it's:Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
Untrustworthy chancer 6/4f
Guy who makes dodgy statements about race 9/4
Possible Steve Staunton reboot 10/3
Close to a possible Steve Staunton reboot 9/1
Ha! We wish! 10/1
Ruled out already 11/1
It's going swimmingly (or the bookies don't actually have a clue). Suddenly that guy nobody likes who briefly had the England job is looking like a viable option!
They're making puns on Christian terms. It's not decorious, but it's not the same as mockery. Christianity used to be able to demand decorum, but have lost that priviledge as our society rejected their claims to moral authority in light of, e.g., their shielding and enabling paedophiles and their mistreatment of mothers and children out of wedlock. This is an example of how loss of privilege is sometimes mistaken for discrimination. A counterexample, "Christians are overly sensitive to criticism because their beliefs are illogical and that makes thim insecure about their faith," would be mocking Christians.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Additionally, many Irish people have grown up in Christian households, and have a cultural claim on Christian language, customs, and iconography they grew up with. This is why, for example, many non-religious people celebrate Christmas in an entirely secular fashion, and do so without mocking the Christian holiday. A counterexample, quoting Jeremiah 10:2-4, 'Thus says the Lord: “Learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens because the nations are dismayed at them, for the customs of the peoples are vanity. A tree from the forest is cut down and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman. They decorate it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so that it cannot move,' and pointing out the relationship to Christmas trees would be an example of mocking the Christian holiday.
I hope this was helpful in clarifying the situation.
To be fair I was making fun of Christians, but well written ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Make it stopQuote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
So if we finally know in March who they met back in November, we should know the identity of the actual manager by about August.
I'm sticking with Untrustworthy Chancer by a short head in the 5:30 at Abbotstown.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
The Keane stuff is funny because they set and started the Head Coach thing outset. Even if he isn't in contention now then why did they meet him at all?
If he is in contention, he could slot in above JOS tidily. But, then, there is no experienced or renowned coach between them. That doesn't work?
Feels like Anthony Barry is the only name that could work at his point but that may be unlikely.
They'll end up having to go for Poyet or Keane ...
I'd be comfortable with Anthony Barry if he's available. There was a marked improvement during his spell with Kenny. Sure, he lacks experience (as a manager) but his coaching development via Wigan, Chelsea, Belgium, Portugal and Bayern Munich can hardly be faulted. In fact it's damn impressive for anyone - and he's only 37.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Otherwise, was John O'Shea really that bad? Decent enough against Belgium but flat versus Switzerland. Two friendlies against reasonable opposition. Kenny was 20-plus games into his reign before the uniquitous "he needs more time" mantra pulled a hammy. How quickly we forget.
Otherwise, it looks like Poyet. Good, bad and ugly if the poo hits the fan.
Yes O'Shea was really that bad. The inability to adjust the shape to fit how the game was going will stay with me a long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
If d'paper says so then I'd say it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
If it's old enough to be Taoiseach I suppose it's hard to argue he's too young to coach the football team!Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
I'm sure you'll recover in the fullness of time. Judging John O'Shea so conclusively on one poor game seems basically unfair, especially given the tolerance afforded Kenny by so many, including you. But he's unlikely to get the gig so cancel that expensive appointment with your therapist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Really, all this process needed at this point was for a few journalists to bring the pro Roy Keane nutjobs out of hiding. If they have their man as they say they do they should just get on with it and announce him at the start of next week. Maintaining this radio silence any further is doing nothing other than giving oxygen to the lunatic fringe of the support base which, as is usually the case with an international team, is sizeable.
2 games, he managed 2 games where he didnt adjust the shape. Some day if you learn your numbers you might be able to afford my expensive therapist tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
I know this is probably sad and all (and maybe i need an expensive therapist too) but I dreamt last night that the FAI announced a new managerial team of Gary Kelly, Jason McAteer and Phil Babb and were calling them the Three Amigos. They said they picked Kelly to be the manager because he was the most serious of the three. Paul McGrath was also in it - he was at the media table - and he kept calling him Gary Jelly.
Might be worth a cheeky fiver?
If John O'Shea wants to have a go at management I say good luck to him. He's got great experience as a player and has had a few coaching roles now. If he wants to have a go at it I would say he's ready for that.
Being a local I would suggest Waterford United would be perfect for him if a vacancy comes along, although they've started the season well so he might have to wait a while for that.
If he would be interested in a team across the water Bradford have lost 4 on the spin, or Inverness Caledonian Thistle are struggling. One of those might well be in the market for a new boss soon. They're both jobs a young manager as well known as John could impress in and move on to bigger and better things in a year or so.
He isn't close to being ready for the most senior coaching role in Irish football.
True, there is a line of thinking where you could argue that it is arrogant of O'Shea to be even putting his name up here. He was told clearly at the start that he was interim manager only, yet he seems to have taken it as an opportunity to try to audition for the full time job - and in the process shown exactly why he should be nowhere near the position.
I don't think he should be punished for showing some ambition
But he isn't being punished. He's just not being trusted with the most senior football coaching role in the country. With what's a pretty thin CV he could have no legitimate cause to believe he would be in contention for the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Might be just putting himself in the shop-window ~ ~ If he wants to become a manger, he might as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Which he does. Tony Mowbray said that was O'Shea's reasoning for not wanting to stay on at Birmingham as a coach. Wonder though with Mowbray now out ill he might have gotten a shot as interim manager at Birmingham had he stayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
We all needed to hear this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
From Dan McDonnells news letter this morning:
"There have been plenty of jokes about the significance of the Georgia-Greece playoff on Tuesday with Willy Sagnol and Gus Poyet on either side but there are sources claiming that senior FAI figures were following developments in the shootout in Tbilisi very closely in the minutes before kick-off in the Switzerland game. And the story goes that they didn’t necessarily get the result that they wanted."
That's the guy they were trying to get? Willy Sagnol?
I know this is tiresome to you all but it does say they have spoken to Roy 3 times.
Maybe they are trying to convince themselves to do it or not do it.
The least surprising news of the weekend.
https://www.the42.ie/roy-keane-irela...40564-Mar2024/
At least now all the pro-Keane crowd can crawl back under the rock they came out of a couple of days ago.
Just think that ~ ~ Fine Gael managed to get a new leader in a few days ( and that looks like a shockingly bad job at the moment )
So obviously ~ ~ Fine Gael must pick the next Irish soccer manager ! ! ! ( ye know it makes sense ! )
Likely, there are different factions with competing ideas of who to hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Greek media reporting Poyet has turned the job down, after being offered it this week.
Which would of course be at odds with the idea that the deal was sealed last month and the FAI are just waiting on March contractual arrangements to be over before announcing.
The entire process is now officially a shambles - advertise the job, see who applies and take it from there - you don't have to appoint someone from the list of applicants, but at least you will see the quality of coach who is interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
My concern would be that in a panic they would bounce back to the misogynist or the racist.
hard to know what to say at this point...the whole thing has gone about as poorly as it could go. Icing on the cake would be Allardyce/Lennon in the end.
Why would the FA offer him a five year contract. We'll be in the middle of qualification for the 2030 WC in five years time.