Caoimhín Kelleher GK Brentford b.1998

Contract situation aside, if Kelleher gets 25 games a season at Liverpool, I think that is a perfectly good situation. He managed 26 last season and he’s probably on course to do the same this season.

He’s playing in the premier league, the champions league - genuinely contributing to Liverpool potentially winning a title. Important games against Arsenal, Chelsea, Villa, Leverkusen and Leipzig. It’s all high end stuff.

Say for example if he signs with West Ham in the summer, it’s twice as many games but it’s a huge step down for him

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

Contract situation aside, if Kelleher gets 25 games a season at Liverpool, I think that is a perfectly good situation. He managed 26 last season and he’s probably on course to do the same this season.

He’s playing in the premier league, the champions league - genuinely contributing to Liverpool potentially winning a title. Important games against Arsenal, Chelsea, Villa, Leverkusen and Leipzig. It’s all high end stuff.

Say for example if he signs with West Ham in the summer, it’s twice as many games but it’s a huge step down for him

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Absolutely. Everything realistically is a step down for him when he leaves Liverpool. Lots more games for him.but as you say likely never the high end high stakes games with a world wide focus that he has had at Liverpool. What a career he has had at Liverpool

You'd have to wonder why Liverpool are not more keen to keep him really ? !

Kelleher has compiled impressive moments at Liverpool but labelling any move anticlimactic is pushing it. He has never been other than a substitute, his career reliant on the fitness of Alisson. But what a career he's had to date? Yes, but only thanks to Alisson being made of paper mache. Otherwise it’s the bench, his ambition being out of his hands.


Complicating matters is Mamardashvili’s arrival probably on a wage five times Kelleher's current £0.5m (capped) deal which expires next season. A fit Alisson and £30m Mamardashvili could tangle the swings and roundabouts. I cannot see sense in Kelleher staying beyond this season unless designated the No.1 with wages to match. Working down his contract gives him negotiation muscle but a season of mostly bench-warming would compromise that. It’s time, Caoimhin.

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Originally Posted by Snapshot

Kelleher has compiled impressive moments at Liverpool but labelling any move anticlimactic is pushing it. He has never been other than a substitute, his career reliant on the fitness of Alisson. But what a career he's had to date? Yes, but only thanks to Alisson being made of paper mache. Otherwise it’s the bench, his ambition being out of his hands.


Complicating matters is Mamardashvili’s arrival probably on a wage five times Kelleher's current £0.5m (capped) deal which expires next season. A fit Alisson and £30m Mamardashvili could tangle the swings and roundabouts. I cannot see sense in Kelleher staying beyond this season unless designated the No.1 with wages to match. Working down his contract gives him negotiation muscle but a season of mostly bench-warming would compromise that. It’s time, Caoimhin.

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That claim he earns half a million a year is nonsense. His previous deal was for £15k per week and that’s before the one he signed in 2021, which was supposed to be a significant pay rise.

My guess is it started at 35k per week and there’s an annual increase year on year, so he’s probably on 50k per week but could easily be more.

There are (American) websites who just make up figures for each player and it’s treated as gospel

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

You'd have to wonder why Liverpool are not more keen to keep him really ? !

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I'm sure they'd love to keep him but that involves signing a new contract and don't think he fancies signing a new contract.

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

What a career he has had at Liverpool

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One of the greats alright.

He’s super reliable for them and there’s never a hint that him being in the side weakens them at all. He clearly has the trust of some seriously good players. That’s a big compliment in itself. That said, I thought he was a bit flappy a couple of times last night. MOTD commentators said he made a great reaction save from a corner but I think he was a bit late to anticipate the ball coming to him myself. And he totally misread the next cross that came in. An earlier tip over the bar was pretty routine for a top flight game imho.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

One of the greats alright.

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They'll surely put a statue of him on a nice bench somewhere around the stadium, chilled, watching a good game.

He's the only Irish player getting game tile at a top PL club and winning plaudits from fans and pundits every week, and yet posters on this forum know better. He's a barely adequate flapper who has wasted his talent and should have followed the Bazunu path (probably second choice keeper, when fit, at a club destined to be relegated once again Laughable.)

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Originally Posted by SkStu

One of the greats alright.

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Has he not played in more big games for a top 3 Premier league side than any other irsh player in the last 10 years . Played in league cup finals played in champions league. Not many irish players have done all that in last 20 years surely that counts as a great career so far? If he had move to Preston 4 years ago I'm sure he would have 200 appearance s for them but woukd that be better than the career he has had at Liverpool in the last 4 years? I don't think it would

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

They'll surely put a statue of him on a nice bench somewhere around the stadium, chilled, watching a good game.

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Strange attitude.

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

Has he not played in more big games for a top 3 Premier league side than any other irsh player in the last 10 years . Played in league cup finals played in champions league. Not many irish players have done all that in last 20 years surely that counts as a great career so far? If he had move to Preston 4 years ago I'm sure he would have 200 appearance s for them but woukd that be better than the career he has had at Liverpool in the last 4 years? I don't think it would

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He’s a fine keeper, the doubts I had have been almost fully put to bed over the last year. He’s got the Irish jersey now too and Bazunu will have to level up again to win it back. I’m delighted. But to bank your career on your competition getting injured is risky and questionable. I don’t love it. But like I said delighted it’s worked out for us.

Your last line in the post I quoted is a strange take which is why I quoted it. He’s a second choice keeper who’s taken advantage of the few opportunities handed to him through injury to Allison. A great career would be to have won the Liverpool jersey outright or moved to a less elite level (non Top 6) and proven himself as a number one there. That’s all I was questioning.

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

Strange attitude.

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Ah come on - that was very funny :D

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Originally Posted by third policeman

He's the only Irish player getting game tile at a top PL club and winning plaudits from fans and pundits every week, and yet posters on this forum know better. He's a barely adequate flapper who has wasted his talent and should have followed the Bazunu path (probably second choice keeper, when fit, at a club destined to be relegated once again Laughable.)

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I don’t think he’s a barely adequate flapper at all. Not sure if that was meant at me, because I mentioned a flap earlier. I think he’s a really good keeper who looks at home at the top of the PL and in the CL.

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

Strange attitude.

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Missed the humour maybe ?
What I found strange was trying to paint his time at Liverpool as a, what a career, type thing.
& that's from someone who thinks he's good enough and they are making a mistake if they let him move on.

That he has played more big games than any other Irish player in a decade speaks about Irish footballs ongoing low tide, not his club situation.

In fairness to Caoimhin, he had a really good relationship with Klopp and there was plenty of signs/suggestion that he was the long term replacement for Alisson. It's really only since Slot came in that the debate was ended and he fairly quickly signalled he was open to moving elsewhere.

If he doesn't start making waves next summer then that's a different story but I feel he's been very smart about his career choices to date and it's mostly paid off.

Thought myself that he should leave during this winter transfer window, not sure now, looks like he could collect a league winners medal which he will i
of have massively contributed to, if they do go on a win the league.

He might even grow on Slot as time goes by !

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Originally Posted by rebelmusic

In fairness to Caoimhin, he had a really good relationship with Klopp and there was plenty of signs/suggestion that he was the long term replacement for Alisson. It's really only since Slot came in that the debate was ended and he fairly quickly signalled he was open to moving elsewhere.

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I think a lot of that was just Klopp blowing smoke up his hole. He nearly didn't pick him for the League Cup final that time he ended up scoring the winning penalty, despite the League Cup being the one competition he was meant to be the keeper for. Used to leave him on the bench for dead rubber Champions League group games as well. I doubt Klopp ever saw him as a future first choice, he just saw a way to keep a good backup on side for as long as he was going to be there.

"First of all, Alisson needs to become fit,” Slot said in his press conference after the win.

“I have always been quite clear, that’s always been the position of Alisson.

“He is and will be our first goalkeeper if he is fit. But first he needs to be fit.

“But Caoimh has done outstanding, last season and this season again as well but the moment Alisson is fit, he will be our first goalkeeper.”

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Difficult reading for Ireland fans there ( particularly about such a Liverpool legend ) but there is an honesty and a decency to it that Klopp wouldn't show toward him.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

"First of all, Alisson needs to become fit,” Slot said in his press conference after the win.

“I have always been quite clear, that’s always been the position of Alisson.

“He is and will be our first goalkeeper if he is fit. But first he needs to be fit.

“But Caoimh has done outstanding, last season and this season again as well but the moment Alisson is fit, he will be our first goalkeeper.”

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Difficult reading for Ireland fans there ( particularly about such a Liverpool legend ) but there is an honesty and a decency to it that Klopp wouldn't show toward him.

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Decent honesty there alright.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Decent honesty there alright.

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Yeah Slot couldn't be fairer there.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Difficult reading for Ireland fans there ( particularly about such a Liverpool legend ) but there is an honesty and a decency to it that Klopp wouldn't show toward him.

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https://youtu.be/q8DUyKDH2-k?si=MpBX3kHQjrUau-qz

Klopp saying the exact same thing about Robertson and Tsimikas.

I don’t see at all how Klopp was anything other than supportive towards Kelleher and a huge boost to Kelleher’s career

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

"First of all, Alisson needs to become fit,” Slot said in his press conference after the win.

“I have always been quite clear, that’s always been the position of Alisson.

“He is and will be our first goalkeeper if he is fit. But first he needs to be fit.

“But Caoimh has done outstanding, last season and this season again as well but the moment Alisson is fit, he will be our first goalkeeper.”

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Difficult reading for Ireland fans there ( particularly about such a Liverpool legend ) but there is an honesty and a decency to it that Klopp wouldn't show toward him.

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In what instance was Klopp ever other than honest and decent with/about Kelleher? Slot is just stating the bleedin' obvious.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...-sell-28210083

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“Yeah (he is ready to be a number one at a club like Liverpool), no doubt, no doubt,” Klopp told reporters ahead of the Reds’ clash with Fulham. “We see him every day in training. He is exceptional, an exceptional talent.

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“Maybe we don’t mention his name often enough. John Achterberg, from day one when I came in, he told me this will be our homegrown boy who will make it. Since then, we see every step. He is now a man. He was a boy, now he’s a man. A top goalie, no doubt.

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Less than a year ago Snappers, when Klopp would have known he was about to tap out of the Liverpool job.

Plenty other young academy lads in the Liverpool side though, despite all the one to make it carry on.

Klopp did a job on him there and did it well in fairness, and won't care less the guy is now pushing 30 with less apps than taytos in a bag.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...-sell-28210083

That's stretching it a bit, he'll turn 30 in 2028, we aren't nearly there.

And yes he probably should have a lot more senior appearances, but to say you've played 55 times for a club at the top of the Premier league and champions league is pretty novel for our squad and has been for a number of years




Less than a year ago Snappers, when Klopp would have known he was about to tap out of the Liverpool job.

Plenty other young academy lads in the Liverpool side though, despite all the one to make it carry on.

Klopp did a job on him there and did it well in fairness, and won't care less the guy is now pushing 30 with less apps than taytos in a bag.

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That's stretching it a bit, he'll turn 30 in 2028, we aren't nearly there.

And yes he probably should have a lot more senior appearances, but to say you've played 55 times for a club at the top of the Premier league and champions league is pretty novel for our squad and has been for a number of years

Anyone else find his salary shockingly poor for a prem/ champions League player. 520k

There was some discussion above claiming that that particular figure is not from a reliable source.

Ok thanks a million
I missed that.

That salary would have been ridiculous!

There's another site here which says he went up to £32k/week with his new contract. Not that it's necessarily more reliable just because the numbers are higher.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

There's another site here which says he went up to £32k/week with his new contract. Not that it's necessarily more reliable just because the numbers are higher.

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I trawled myriad sites all claiming Kelleher earns £10k per week. The only exception was SalarySport which gave him £32k-£50k per week - the site you're referencing here. It supports Eirambler's post.

I wonder how reliable any of those sites can really be tbh.

Or even why I'd care what he's on. (Would love ten grand a week myself!)

a decade ago - or twenty years ago, you only got a sense of someone's salary when a deal was signed - if it was someone high enough profile, someone involved in the deal would leak the wages to a journalist. that's basically still the case - sticking with Liverpool, the likes of Salah, Van Dijk - their wages are common knowledge. For Kelleher, no one really cared enough to ever leak the deal.

In US Sports, all the contracts that players sign are public, so you have websites whose entire purpose is in listing those contracts. As Premier League football and football in general has increased in popularity, Spotrac, one of those sites, (run by 2 randomers in New York) decided to publish a table of premier league wages (guessing every player) without any more info than you or I would have. But they know it's great for traffic and people don't really care if they're wrong, and it's rare to be able to prove it either way. And then loads of online publications use it as a source - example here: https://www.liverpool.com/liverpool-...money-29757218 ("All wages listed below are as per Spotrac."

You occasionally get proof (like when Football Leaks released Firmino's contract or when John Arne Riise threw out his payslip.

Clickbait media just uses it to write loads of articles but pretty much every fan base can look through it and find obvious mistakes (like Kelleher) - just google it and you'll find arsenal fans on reddit going through how ridiculous some of the numbers are.

Here you've got an article in 2021, where it says his previous contract, which he signed at age 19 in 2018 was at £15k (he was third choice at the club and sixth choice including loan players) and his current contract (signed in 2021, when he was 2nd choice) is an upgrade on that or "a bumper pay rise":

If I were guessing, I'd say he's on around £50k (somewhere in the £40-80k mark)

A decent piece of work here on Kelleher's situation from the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/a...s/czxr8q58lqno

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

A decent piece of work here on Kelleher's situation from the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/a...s/czxr8q58lqno

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A good piece. Never understand how negative so many posters are about him . This hood without ever playing for morecambe as a 20 year old hard to believe

Gavin Bazunu has done nothing wrong, but I think he lost the #1 jersey tonight.

What a career Kelleher has had for Ireland

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

Gavin Bazunu has done nothing wrong, but I think he lost the #1 jersey tonight.

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Bazunu is and will be a top.keeper ,I'd be very confident with either playing for us

September I think was the turning point in the Kelleher/Bazunu battle. Kelleher has just stepped up to another level, playing the 20+ games for Liverpool last season brought him on massively.

It's a shame for Bazunu (and also Travers) as they're high potential keepers, but if Kelleher keeps going like this it's going to be near to impossible for either of them to shift him. When you have lots of decent centre backs you can do things like play them at full back or rotate them to keep players involved. Even easier with forwards as there are always sub opportunities. But goalkeeper is brutal - you get an injury at the wrong moment (Bazunu) or make a mistake in a high profile game early on in your international career (Travers) and you might not get the jersey back for years, if ever.

Perhaps the rules could be changed to play more than one goalkeeper at a time ~ ~ Two ball playing goalkeepers could be an interesting tactic ! !