Isn't Ronan Finn currently the highest paid player in the league?
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Isn't Ronan Finn currently the highest paid player in the league?
Would Gannon be up there on the new deal? Shep would have gotten a decent bump with the transfer saga last year.
As usual with this stuff the numbers spouted are usually utter nonsense. Wouldn't be surprised if the top earner was someone completely different
Shiels after another of his ex-players.
Aaron Splaine at Dunfermline.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soc...ap-up-12814940
Someone on our forum said he's signing for us. We do need a replacement for Garvan in the middle. Brendan Clarke also rumoured back to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Its probably irrelevant in the context of any players who are now departing, but the difference is very significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Everyone "Free to go" means that your club would effectively have no control over who stays or goes, whereas "mutual consent" allows your club to try to agree the player departures on a case by case basis.
Reducing the budget and staying in the premier division is difficult enough without actually trying to manage the make-up of the squad that is going to remain to fight for survival - tonight's win is a big step in the right direction
Ive a funny feeling LTID was being ironical
Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
Although I get the feeling that the predominant attitude in Limerick is to slag off the club, rather than redouble the efforts to rally round in this crises
Aren’t Oldham waving the transfer fee?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Ironically Rovers have offered Duffy a deal to be the highest paid in the league reportedly. You’d question how Rovers could back that up as there is the possibility of no European football next season.
I think this is probably the reason for the delay in announcing the transfer or if it even will go through. Dundalk do not want to pay any transfer fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
This project craic might actual work out for Rovers.
If St Kevins, Belvedere and others are accused of being "child traffickers" for sending 16 year olds across the water, whats the difference here with Rovers or other LoI clubs doing the same?
More atQuote:
Liverpool send their goalkeeping coach to watch young Shamrock Rovers netminder
John Fallon
July 1 2018 12:30 PM
Jurgen Klopp may turn to an Irish teen to help ease his long-term goalkeeper problems after sending John Achterberg to watch Gavin Bazunu in action for Shamrock Rovers.
Klopp’s goalkeeping coach was at Tallaght Stadium on Friday to watch the 16-year-old keep his third clean sheet on the spin in the 2-0 win over Derry City.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37068382.html
No chance of rovers making Duffy highest paid player in league but every chance that like Gannon and a few others his agent will negotiate a better deal with dundaslk following the rovers link.
The difference is glaringly obvious, LOI clubs are developing players for their first team but like first team players if they're made a decent offer they'll sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Yeah good point. I suppose the difference is LoI clubs will try to hold onto them longer to get use out of them in their first teams. Aaron Bolger and Brandon Kavanagh for example can now complete their Leaving Cert before going overseas while playing and training professionally. Rather than being shipped off abroad at 15/16 and left with no education when released at 18. The very best players (like Banuzu) will always be taken overseas at that age regardless of whether theyre at a LoI club or Junior. The majority is in all the other players which we can hold for longer, complete their educations, and then command a bigger transfer fee to reinvest in grassroots further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Yes. The big difference is the age at which they are likely to go to England. A couple of years of additional education will make it more likely that they will be better able to cope. In addition, I expect the numbers going over to consistently reduce. It will ultimately be only the very very best, and those players always have better choices. Some may decide to add third level education before embarking on a career in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
The slave traders in Kevin's and belvo are happy to take 5k and send a kid over on 150 a week at 16 that's not the priority for rovers (or any loi club).
In fairness the parents are as much at fault as the club. With the failure rate in England and the resultant problems for 95 percent of the kids who go over at 16 it's crazy that people see english academies as options.
Sounds like our MGMT have decided it's Time To Get Splaine.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
LoI clubs are developing players and thats it, if they are in demand abroad they will go, generate financial return and clubs will roll out the 'not standing in their way' speil. I dont think we should be under the illusion that now there is a proper pathway being put in place for underage LoI that this is some benevolant project (for any LoI club). An averaged out return on revenues invested on player development over a period of time will be expected. Not hugely different from the current set up where the elite will have a go in England and the best of the rest end up at senior clubs here eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
It is hugely different though, when you look at it on a personal level rather than overall. After 10 years you might be looking at the same numbers overall, but when you look at the individuals, we should have far less kids going abroad too young, without a leaving cert, not making it leading to issues with self confidence and potentially mental health issues. They now have a viable alternative path that offers the chance to develop as a player and go abroad later if they're good enough.
It's an absolutely enormous difference for our young players, regardless of what the final numbers look like.
We look at football too much in isolation, if there were any other professions applying the same principles to development there would be outrage.
eg. we have 6 or whatever medical schools in the country but anyone who wants to become a really good doctor should go to the UK at 16 to do so?
Is that over simplifying it? Serious question for once...
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Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
No you are right , Shane Robinson the Academy Director at Rovers was quoted earlier this year making that exact point to the Press.
He said if your 16 year old kid was offered to go away to England to become an Apprentice Electrician you wouldn't consider it if there was an alternative here.
Parents and kids in the past were less educated about what happens in the UK.
all you would hear is that x player is gone over to Liverpool etc when in reality they were gone to Liverpool academy where the would compete with 30 or 40 others for maybe 1 or 2 proper contracts.
There is probably a very good goalkeeper in the Liverpool Academy right now and yet if Liverpool sign Bazuna he is probably for the chop. its a ruthless business
I think it was in When Saturday Comes recently that I read that top academies recognise they only have 2 or 3 genuine prospects, and the rest of the squad is essentially padding. Maybe they'll make it at a lower league club, but the academy doesn't care so long as little Messi has a half-competent goalkeeper on his team. Cos otherwise there'd be no games.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
While I appreciate the sentiment, the truth is that football isn't just any other industry. The difference is, no parent gets stars in their eyes at the thought of their son going to the UK to become an electrician or a plumber. I think parents should employ their critical faculties more in those situations, but human nature being what it is, it's not surprising that people (both parents and kids) get seduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Oh there are certainly benefits to the newly developing pathway, it will help players and help improve the league overall. I still stick by the point that in reality what will be formost in clubs' minds will be the potential revenue that the new underage setup might generate. Im sure they will talk up the merits of player retention in the game, education, maturity of player when moving abroad etc. But a young player that catches the eye of scouts from English clubs at 16, like Bazunu, will still likely go as an elite youth. Parents will still have heads truned by an Academy in Liverpool or Manchester. It is best of the rest that will benefit, the late developers, the kids with parents that think their kid is Lionel Messi mark 2 by keeping them grounded. Im sure the youth coaches might be invested in a players welfare but further up in the boardroom it will still be about return on investment if players move or they benefit the first team as there is a tendancy for players that graduate from youths to senior to be payed less than signings in (to around 23yrs is the general guestimate before the gap in pay closes) so a cheaper option and hence finance driven again. There may be a better and broader support system for LoI youth player in due course than schoolboy clubs but we shouldnt look down our noses at the schoolboy clubs like St Kevins et al as LoI clubs would be doing the same exploiting young players by selling them off to generate funds if they could up until now and the new system may just be a modified version of that thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
your almost as much of a cynic as me Nesta :) and for sure for all LOI clubs money has to be a part of all considerations (except you boys obv :) )
The major thing that will make a difference is that if the likes of Bazuna played for a Schoolboy club he would be off to England already for 10k or even less he is still here because he has been with rovers for years and the English clubs would have to pay proper compensation for him.
Hence if they bring him or others over it will be on proper contracts not just to throw them in to the Academy to sink or swim.
Its easy to sign up 3 or 4 kids for 5k each pay then 150 quid a week and dump them in a couple of years.
Its a lot more of a commitment to shell out a six figure sum and sign a proper contract.
Plus a LOI club being offered peanuts for a player in their first team or on the fringes are more inclined to turn it down as they have to sign a replacement.
If Rovers raise the bar for what young Irish players should command in transfer fees it will benefit all clubs
The danger is, if kids think a club is likely to dig in and not let them move if it doesn't suit the club, they may not join in first place. Young lads want the cross channel moves, and having players move previously helps attract them in to clubs, which weakens clubs hands a bit, especially if the club next to you isn't as steadfast. But generally I think things are going in right direction with youth development here. More young players playing better opposition and with better coaches will help the game here and raise standards. It's expensive though, running underage 4 teams for clubs with very limited resources is a real challenge.
Isn’t it heavily subsidized by the FAI? The underage I mean? How much does an u15 LOI team cost to run approximately? Say 24 matches give or take, that’s 12 buses for away trips, possibly paying for pre/post match food, Physio, maybe paying coaches, rental for training pitches if needed, gear. Maybe 25k?
Even if it's 20k per team- 80k for a D1 one team, and a good few premier ones is serious money.
Well that's the risk you take, and ultimately you can only go on your track record. For instance, I doubt young lads in Derry are put off signing for Derry City because the club will demand a transfer fee rather than letting them go to Crawley Town for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
I think clubs get an FAI travel grant of about a grand for their underage teams. Not per team,l (19s/17s/15s) but overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Treaty Gooner
20-25k is a reasonable estimate of the costs per team. Would vary by club obviously
And the 13s to come
Bray will “reluctantly listen to offers” for all of their players. Not sure there’ll be a flood of offers coming in.
There was an article a year or so ago saying rovers were doing all the right stuff,getting proper coaches, good facilities, good general organisation, proper contracts, help with education and all that but there was no point them doing that if all the other clubs don't follow suit and just take over from the schoolboy clubs in sending players across in droves for nothing cause all that will happen is English clubs will just allow rovers to keep their players and go somewhere else instead knowing that if the players do turn out to be any good theyll still be available for cheap in a few years since the overall price of players from the league wontt change at all, but if all the other clubs followed suit the domino effect would mean players across the league would be worth more
The better players at schoolboy level are starting to gravitate to rovers because of facilities and pathway. A 16 17 and 18 year old on the pitch against Derry.
They could do what Athlone do and charge every kid 20 quid a week.
That's a fair observation, and sits with how I think things may not be that hugely different.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Dundalk are closing in on the capture of Dylan Watts. SunSport has learned that the league leaders are now in pole position for Watts, a free agent following his release by Leicester City who impressed on loan with Bohemians.
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...-by-leicester/
Given O'Donnell being out for the season, this would be a very good signing. Dundalk are overly reliant on Chris Shields at the moment. An injury to him would not be easily covered.
Bringing in Watts in addition to Kelly and McEleney is interesting. Dundalk are really only heavily reliant on one players form and fitness. Hoban would still be a key loss if anything happened to him for any lengthy period. The rest of the squad is largely replaceable at this point you'd imagine. Obviously theres a difference between losing 1 player and 3 or 4 players but that would be incredibly unfortunate.
I think winning the league this year is going to be extremely important for Cork City in order to prevent Dundalk getting in to the CL for another season as much as anything. If current trends continue I can't see us being able to compete for the title next season.
Couldn't agree more with you El P if Dundalk win the league this year it could be a long time before anyone gets to challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
On the other hand if they don't win it Kenny could be on his way as the yanks don't do sentiment,
Given the likely domination to come i'll have to start cheering for you boys this season , might wait until Saturday though :)
There is little doubt that Patrick Hoban is a very important player for Dundalk although Michael Duffy is probably ahead of him currently in the POTY stakes. The signing of Georgie Kelly fills an important gap in the squad as the back-up was inadequate in that position. Stephen Kenny has always tended to replace some of his attacking players in the last quarter, but has been reluctant to sub out Hoban because of these poor options - this should allow him more options.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Dundalk are also heavily reliant on Chris Shields currently - and I would be concerned if any of Hoban, Shields, Duffy or Rogers were out for any length of time
I don't doubt those are key players I just think the gapp to their replacements is smaller. I don't think I've ever seen Kelly so will wait to reserve judgement on him. It can be difficult to step up to the Premier Division though so hes no guarantee to bang goals in right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même choseQuote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
https://twitter.com/stpatsfc/status/1014191962986033152Quote:
ACADEMY TRANSFERS: We’re delighted to announce that 3 Saints Academy players have joined UK clubs. Kian Leavy has joined @ReadingFC, Zak Delaney has signed for @WBA & Conor Power has moved to @AberdeenFC. Thanks to their schoolboy clubs also. Good luck boys
https://shamrockrovers.ie/2018/07/03...-for-aberdeen/Quote:
Shamrock Rovers F.C. announce that Luke Turner from our Under 17 team has joined Scottish side Aberdeen F.C.