Celtic Cup thread

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I'm telling you that in many, many, instances you'll not "racially profile" (whatever race has got to do with the subject in hand????) going by a name.

It's simply crude.

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It might be 'crude', but it's one way of differentiating between one group of people who see themselves as Irish and others who don't, to address your second 'point'.

As mentioned above, blame the parents!

And they could of course in reference to the Scotland game, have checked off these names....
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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I wouldn't expect a big jump in numbers now DI - many will be wise enough to see through the IFA spin and bull****.

Sponsors are not happy by all accounts, but that's not the bigger story I've heard from what I consider to be an informed source.

Here's a few questions for you to investigate/consider:

Did one of the participating FAs (not based on this island, and who were initially reluctant to take part) receive a "guarantee" of circa £2,000,000 to secure their participation?

Who underwrote that "guarantee"?

Is the competition going well re: revenues so far?

Why did the IFA ignore supporters representives' advices re: ticketing for the Scotland game ie. the IFA put tickets on open sale, against advice?

Are the IFA ****ting themselves with the prospect of a low turnout v the Republic and no turnout v Wales?

Why would that be?

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Go on... :)

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I wouldn't expect a big jump in numbers now DI - many will be wise enough to see through the IFA spin and bull****.

Sponsors are not happy by all accounts, but that's not the bigger story I've heard from what I consider to be an informed source.

Here's a few questions for you to investigate/consider:

Did one of the participating FAs (not based on this island, and who were initially reluctant to take part) receive a "guarantee" of circa £2,000,000 to secure their participation?

Who underwrote that "guarantee"?

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A what was the motive in doing so? :waiting: :loser:

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Response from the AONISC to the IFA change of heart, on the BBC Sport Website:

"However in response, supporters spokesman Gary McAllister said that his organisation "are still encouraging fans not to travel to the upcoming matches".
"This is not simply about cost. It's about how the IFA handled the whole operation, and we don't have confidence working with the organisation for these games," added Mr McAllister.
The travel restrictions have been placed on the Northern Ireland supporters following minor incidents at the Nations Cup opener against Scotland at the Aviva Stadium in February.
McAllister told that BBC Sport that the Irish FA had ignored advice from the supporters group in advance of the February game."

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We are still not going. The IFA burnt their bridges by trying to stick their arm in.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I wouldn't expect a big jump in numbers now DI - many will be wise enough to see through the IFA spin and bull****.

Sponsors are not happy by all accounts, but that's not the bigger story I've heard from what I consider to be an informed source.

Here's a few questions for you to investigate/consider:

Did one of the participating FAs (not based on this island, and who were initially reluctant to take part) receive a "guarantee" of circa £2,000,000 to secure their participation?

Who underwrote that "guarantee"?

Is the competition going well re: revenues so far?

Why did the IFA ignore supporters representives' advices re: ticketing for the Scotland game ie. the IFA put tickets on open sale, against advice?

Are the IFA ****ting themselves with the prospect of a low turnout v the Republic and no turnout v Wales?

Why would that be?

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If I'm catching your drift, presumably the FAI aren't the sole party profiting from ticket sales then? If this was the case though, why were some NI fans urging an original boycott over lining the pockets of Delaney & Co. Poachers Ltd.?

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

If I'm catching your drift, presumably the FAI aren't the sole party profiting from ticket sales then? If this was the case though, why were some NI fans urging an original boycott over lining the pockets of Delaney & Co. Poachers Ltd.?

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Profiting?

Trying to minimise losses might be closer to the mark.

Regarding the boycott, those who urged such action on the "poaching" issue didn't have any momentum or impact - Over 6,000 Northern Ireland fans attended the game v Scotland. Similar numbers, if not more, were planning to attend the Republic game.

Perhaps they didn't stop to think about the financial side of things pertaining to the IFA? I don't know.

To be honest with you, I think some Northern Ireland supporters remain in total denial about the "eligibility issue".

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

It might be 'crude', but it's one way of differentiating between one group of people who see themselves as Irish and others who don't, to address your second 'point'.

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Not a very effective way...as you agree, it's crude.

Anyway - many of the guys I attend Northern Ireland games with, to watch the representative team of the Irish Football Association, certainly see themselves as Irish. It might not be your stereotype of "Irish", but Irish none the less.

Ah, there you go.
It does make you wonder why certain others not a million miles removed are so anti-Irish or happy to embrace foreign flags.....

So it's just their definition that's confused then.
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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Ah, there you go.
It does make you wonder why certain others not a million miles removed are so anti-Irish or happy to embrace foreign flags.....

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What "foreign" flags on you blethering on about now?

Ha ha.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Ha ha.

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I was being serious - what are you on about?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I was being serious - what are you on about?

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ArdeeBhoy considers Irish and British as mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

ArdeeBhoy considers Irish and British as mutually exclusive.

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Oh, right.

I don't.

Yesterday's U turn by the IFA - coach costs reduced to £22.00 - seems to have done the trick.

A grand total of 122 tickets sold via the IFA as of this morning.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

I was being serious - what are you on about?

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Kop on, you know exactly what.
If not, ask the dogs on the street....

Gary Speed complaining about the Celtic Cup Schedule

He's got a point, especially at the end of a "long hard season" as they say. Who came up with the fixtures anyway? I would have presumed they were decided between the nations involved.

Carling Nations Cup Remaining Fixtures

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Profiting?

Trying to minimise losses might be closer to the mark.

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Hehe, of course. I should have said "intending to profit".

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To be honest with you, I think some Northern Ireland supporters remain in total denial about the "eligibility issue".

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I have noticed that valid and relevant discussion on the subject is often dismissed as provocative or off-topic whenever an "alternative" view is offered on OWC. And the prevalence of seeming ignorance to the existence of article 15 along with steadfast belief in the territorial myth seems as strong as ever, even permeating the media. It does puzzle me when it's an issue that has been so widely publicised and when both FIFA's rule-book and the CAS ruling are so easily accessible and freely available to read online.

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Yesterday's U turn by the IFA - coach costs reduced to £22.00 - seems to have done the trick.

A grand total of 122 tickets sold via the IFA as of this morning.

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Is that about 22 up on yesterday? What a disaster. What will the IFA's next step be you reckon? What can they do really other than plead with fans? It's unlikely they could renegotiate the security arrangements with the Gardaí and stadium security. Would the AoNISC position differ if they pursued such a line of action or are they boycotting no matter what and without demands, if you will?

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Originally Posted by Not Brazil

Yesterday's U turn by the IFA - coach costs reduced to £22.00 - seems to have done the trick.

A grand total of 122 tickets sold via the IFA as of this morning.

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Catch-22. ;)

Someone at the IFA has a sense of humour.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Hehe, of course. I should have said "intending to profit".



I have noticed that valid and relevant discussion on the subject is often dismissed as provocative or off-topic whenever an "alternative" view is offered on OWC. And the prevalence of seeming ignorance to the existence of article 15 along with steadfast belief in the territorial myth seems as strong as ever, even permeating the media. It does puzzle me when it's an issue that has been so widely publicised and when both FIFA's rule-book and the CAS ruling are so easily accessible and freely available to read online.



Is that about 22 up on yesterday? What a disaster. What will the IFA's next step be you reckon? What can they do really other than plead with fans? It's unlikely they could renegotiate the security arrangements with the Gardaí and stadium security. Would the AoNISC position differ if they pursued such a line of action or are they boycotting no matter what and without demands, if you will?

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I imagine a boycott will go ahead no matter what. I think the IFA ****ed people off with how they have handled this match. They had been advised by the Amalgamation for the Scotland game and totally ignored everything that was said. The boycott is mainly to do with the IFA's handling of the entire situation.

I don't see them lowering the price any further as that would just make them look like absolute fools (even more than they already look).

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

What will the IFA's next step be you reckon?

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To send someone down to Lidl to get in some extra supplies of toilet roll.:D