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08/02/2008, 7:21 AM
irishfan86

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Swiss or Austrian, big deal!! The point is that he is managing a team in a second rate league and if he is Mr Wonderful, wtf is he doing there? Except perhaps that he's got one foot in the grave for **** sake.

We saw what happened with Bobby R. Give me a younger, hungry manager any day, and I don't mean Stan.

Probably there for the money, I heard he was on 4 mil a year...hard to turn down that dough.

It would be interesting to see if he'd take a pay cut to manage Ireland (in fairness less work, which at his age may suit him).
08/02/2008, 7:24 AM
eirebhoy

Italy manager win success rate from Setanta.

Code:

Manager GP W D L Win% Bearzot 88 40 26 22 45% Vicini 54 33 14 7 61% Sacchi 53 34 11 8 64% Maldini 20 10 8 2 50% Zoff 23 11 7 5 48% Trapattoni 44 25 12 7 57% Lippi 29 17 10 2 59% Donadoni 16 10 3 3 63%
08/02/2008, 7:58 AM
NeilMcD

Quote:

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Swiss or Austrian, big deal!! The point is that he is managing a team in a second rate league and if he is Mr Wonderful, wtf is he doing there? Except perhaps that he's got one foot in the grave for **** sake.

We saw what happened with Bobby R. Give me a younger, hungry manager any day, and I don't mean Stan.

Yeah cause young hungry managers always win international tournaments. Sure anyone with experience generally fails at international level. :). I hope you are not in HR in some company Owls fan.
08/02/2008, 8:39 AM
cavan_fan

Quote:

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Swiss or Austrian, big deal!! The point is that he is managing a team in a second rate league and if he is Mr Wonderful, wtf is he doing there? Except perhaps that he's got one foot in the grave for **** sake.

We saw what happened with Bobby R. Give me a younger, hungry manager any day, and I don't mean Stan.

The clue is in the name, Red Bull Salzburg are being run as an offshoot of the Red Bull world and are attempting to buy success. A good way of doing this is buying a top manager as it is probably tough to attract players.

International managers should be old, we dont want someone who'll p*ss off to a club whenever an offer comes in.
08/02/2008, 8:44 AM
NeilMcD

Lippi
Rehagal
Scolari
Lemerre
Jacquet
Vogts
Parreira
Moller Nielson
Beckanbauer
Michels

What have they all got in common, they all won major international championships and none was an up and coming hungry manager.
08/02/2008, 8:47 AM
NeilMcD

From wikipedia but I cant find it anywhere on the Gazetta Dello Sport website.

Early reports from the February 8th edition of Italian football paper "Gazetta Dello Sport" indicate that Trapattoni has turned down the offer to become the Republic of Ireland manager
08/02/2008, 9:03 AM
paul_oshea

so we spent two months to end up with billly davies and/or terry venables.
08/02/2008, 9:12 AM
macdermesser

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

From wikipedia but I cant find it anywhere on the Gazetta Dello Sport website.

Early reports from the February 8th edition of Italian football paper "Gazetta Dello Sport" indicate that Trapattoni has turned down the offer to become the Republic of Ireland manager

I'd be careful about quoting from Wikipedia .. It's being used by Betfair jokers to ramp various candidates.
08/02/2008, 9:14 AM
NeilMcD

I know I would have presumed that people know better than believe everything from it, I was trying to get someone to confirm the Gazetta Dello Sport bit.

From the Indo.

Ireland need a defensive guru -- not a lecture from the purists
08/02/2008, 9:36 AM
Billy Lord

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Originally Posted by mypost

Philip Quinn was crying yesterday in the Mail, for Venables. :rolleyes:

Nothing new there. Delaney's media buddies have been cooking Venables curry for months. He's just what the Oirish deserve - a cockney spoofer with gangster connections.
08/02/2008, 9:42 AM
Billy Lord

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I know I would have presumed that people know better than believe everything from it, I was trying to get someone to confirm the Gazetta Dello Sport bit.

From the Indo.

Ireland need a defensive guru -- not a lecture from the purists
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By Daniel McDonnell
Friday February 08 2008

'TIS a crazy world we're living in. On the week that the FAI inducted Jack Charlton into their Hall of Fame, critics of Giovanni Trapattoni warn us that the leading candidate to replace Steve Staunton is too defensive in his outlook.

Suddenly, we are football purists in this country. Never mind the fact that we haven't qualified for six out of the past seven major tournaments. Now we want someone to take us there in style. Words fail at times like this.

Being defensive is something of a taboo word when it comes to analysing coaches. It can be construed as conservatism in the negative sense, or placing a high emphasis on organisation when the glass is half full. And with Trapattoni's CV, then clearly the latter description is more fitting.

You can argue that such a figure is exactly what Ireland need at this moment in time. We have a certain amount of attacking flair in the form of Damien Duff and Aiden McGeady, plus the capable Stephen Hunt, the talented Andy Reid and a good front pair in Robbie Keane and Kevin Doyle. Then there's Steven Reid, Shane Long and, whisper it, Stephen Ireland.

In the forward departments, there are options. But look backwards and it's not so pretty. We're short on numbers and short on talent and, in those circumstances, it is arguably someone regarded for their defensive nous that we need to pull our components into a successful, well-drilled unit.

Put simply, if we lose Richard Dunne to injury at any point, then we are in deep, deep trouble. The Irish back four on Wednesday night was built around Dunne with John O'Shea as his partner and Stephen Kelly and Kevin Kilbane as the full-backs.

As it stands, that's probably our best selection with the retirements of Steve Finnan and Andy O'Brien. Paul McShane was left out due to his recent deterioration in form and the jury is out on the Wicklow native right now.

Elsewhere in the squad, back-up came in the form of Kevin Foley who is a tidy player that can provide opposition for Kelly and Alex Bruce who is nothing more than a Championship standard centre-half. Again, it is hardly inspiring. Unfortunately, viewing the U-21 game against England on Tuesday did not provide much hope for the future in that departure. Darren O'Dea is highly regarded but lacks match sharpness and should probably look for time away from Celtic, while Joe O'Cearuill has a long way to go too. Full-backs Eddie Nolan and Stephen O'Halloran suffered against admittedly strong opposition for that level.

Meanwhile, the other options available to the next manager are honest but limited; options such as Alan Bennett, Paddy McCarthy, the enigmatic Sean St Ledger and even Drogheda duo Graham Gartland and Jason Gavin. No doubt the quintet all come under the classification of capable performers but, unfortunately, they fall short of the standard required.

When the new manager takes over, a priority will have to be speaking again with O'Brien and Finnan because they are desperately needed. Then, he will need to find the right role for the talented Joey O'Brien who deputised at centre-half against Germany but can be effective at right back and -- when he gets older -- in the holding midfield role, despite his turbulent experience against Cyprus.

Overall, though, the options are far from plentiful which makes a compelling case for plumping for the manager capable of turning what is there into a well-structured unit. It's an argument which points clearly to Trapattoni. After all, there's nothing more enjoyable than winning.

Ireland's Defenders

The League Table

1 Richard Dunne

2 John O'Shea

3 Joey O'Brien

4 Stephen Kelly

5 Kevin Kilbane

6 Paul McShane

7 Kevin Foley

8 Darren O'Dea

9 Stephen O'Halloran

10 Sean St Ledger

- Daniel McDonnell

I wouldn't call anti-Trap folk 'purists'. 'Thick gob****es' would be closer to the mark.
08/02/2008, 9:42 AM
OwlsFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavan_fan

The clue is in the name, Red Bull Salzburg are being run as an offshoot of the Red Bull world and are attempting to buy success. A good way of doing this is buying a top manager as it is probably tough to attract players.

International managers should be old, we dont want someone who'll p*ss off to a club whenever an offer comes in.

Perhaps the "old thing" isn't a bad omen. Otto Rehhagel won the Euro 2004 with Greece at the age of 66.
08/02/2008, 9:43 AM
NeilMcD

Quote:

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Perhaps the "old thing" isn't a bad omen. Otto Rehhagel won the Euro 2004 with Greece at the age of 66.

eh you will find that was the point of my previous post with the list of all the winners who none were young up and coming managers.
08/02/2008, 9:59 AM
Morbo

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

From wikipedia but I cant find it anywhere on the Gazetta Dello Sport website.

Early reports from the February 8th edition of Italian football paper "Gazetta Dello Sport" indicate that Trapattoni has turned down the offer to become the Republic of Ireland manager

Bugger it if true, can't understand why so many want venables to get it, Trap is better than him in virtually every department, some might argue that a lot of Traps success came before 1990 but his recent record is still a lot better than venables so whatever way you look at it its a no-brainer
08/02/2008, 10:04 AM
jmurphyc

Well Trapattoni is still winning trophies and Venables' last trophy (there were two) was in 1991.
08/02/2008, 10:39 AM
Block G Raptor

Neil McD your not supposed to quote whole articles, id post a link before a mod sees it

BillyLord see above, you're not supposed to quote posts which quote whole articles
08/02/2008, 1:09 PM
Sonic

If I was venables Id have told the Fai to flip off at this stage. He has been the favorite right from the start and they never made him an offer and suddenly out of nowhere Trapattoni comes out of the woodwork!! I hope Trap gets it by the way but Venables must be saying to himself are these lads takin the mick he was up for the job the time kerr and stan got the job and again they look like they may shun him.
08/02/2008, 1:18 PM
Stuttgart88

Maybe the Davies leaks are to prevent Venables saying "ok, so Trapattoni has declined, there's nobody else left, now I want 2 million a year".
08/02/2008, 1:30 PM
elroy

At this stage, i hope Trappatoni gets it. The whole process will then have been worthwhile. He may be pushing on but he has the credentials that any one of us would have snapped at, at the start of this saga. Alongside Liam Brady, it would be ideal.

And on top of that, im keen for a manager with a different thinking to come in, as opposed to the english/irish manager style of play. Things can never be as bad as they were under stan anyway.......surely not.
08/02/2008, 2:51 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Neil McD your not supposed to quote whole articles, id post a link before a mod sees it

BillyLord see above, you're not supposed to quote posts which quote whole articles

Its the Irish Times and the only way you can read it is if you are subscribed so a link is pointless.

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