Trapattoni - who would you replace him with?

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23/09/2013, 3:54 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by brine3

You know nothing about Adriaanse.

what exactly do you know about him?
23/09/2013, 4:25 PM
geysir

Will the the FAI take the obvious route and appoint popular (manager in waiting) MON or wait and see?

I kinda expect them to anoint MON soon as possible. If the FAI decided to prolong the process with a managerial search and interview committee, then that's saying we're not satisfied with MON as it stands now and we might get somebody better.
If after 4 months, how is it going to look if the FAI have to go back to MON, cap in hand?
The obvious criticism would be, why didn't they do it in the first instance so MON could get involved as early as as possible.
And even if an alternate to MON appointment was made, like some narky Dutchman, the shadow of not appointing MON would be looming large, especially if the new appointee left after a year, in a huff.
23/09/2013, 4:39 PM
ArdeeBhoy

They're taking their time even now.

If I was them would have appointed MO'N on an annual rolling contract, results-related to run till say next August, with some back-ups in mind if it doesn't mutually work out.
23/09/2013, 4:44 PM
Stuttgart88

By waiting, they'd also risk losing Mon when the next batch of premiership vacancies emerge in next few weeks. Ok, so Sunderland has already been done but I'm sure others will be on the table in next few weeks . It might be too early to tell whose job might be next on the block but the next few weeks will give a clearer picture.
23/09/2013, 5:10 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by geysir

Will the the FAI take the obvious route and appoint popular (manager in waiting) MON or wait and see?

I kinda expect them to anoint MON soon as possible. If the FAI decided to prolong the process with a managerial search and interview committee, then that's saying we're not satisfied with MON as it stands now and we might get somebody better.
If after 4 months, how is it going to look if the FAI have to go back to MON, cap in hand?
The obvious criticism would be, why didn't they do it in the first instance so MON could get involved as early as as possible.
And even if an alternate to MON appointment was made, like some narky Dutchman, the shadow of not appointing MON would be looming large, especially if the new appointee left after a year, in a huff.

Are you saying you are ignoring what was written in the articles today about Delaney sending out feelers about O'neill and how he was perceived amongst his peers minus Robertson?

I'd like to think you are right.

The training etc, isn't that big a part of international football, there is only so much you can do anyway. What we need is a master tactician and motivator and someone who can adapt the team when needs be. For that reason I like the idea of Martin O'Neill, but then again I'm unsure who else is really available.
23/09/2013, 5:37 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Are you saying you are ignoring what was written in the articles today about Delaney sending out feelers about O'neill and how he was perceived amongst his peers minus Robertson?

I'd like to think you are right.

The training etc, isn't that big a part of international football, there is only so much you can do anyway. What we need is a master tactician and motivator and someone who can adapt the team when needs be. For that reason I like the idea of Martin O'Neill, but then again I'm unsure who else is really available.

I didn't read any articles today, and yes I see the Indo one cast the most doubts about MON getting the nod.
Unlike you, I don't care that much about being right, I'm constantly making guesses :)
I see the Indo article states that King is being considered as interim. We have 2 competitive u21 games next month, why fxck around with their preparation?
That doesn't make sense to me, so it could cast doubts on the veracity of the Indo article.
MON is a top candidate no doubt.
23/09/2013, 5:43 PM
Stuttgart88

They're probably right to consider applications and consider all candidates but a lot of this should have been done already. It's not as if Trap's departure is any great surprise. Maybe the board was unanimous about O'Neill but O'Neill is keeping his options open. The FAI are saving credibility by putting out a holding message like that in the Indo.
23/09/2013, 5:56 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

I'd like MON, I have to say. If you can have a listen to his speech that he gave in the Aras a few years ago on what it is to be Irish.....it was organized by the McAleese's. It was spine-tingling stuff.

The full audio recording of that speech is on YouTube. This is the first of the four parts on there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsKFaSbdCEY
23/09/2013, 6:09 PM
Closed Account 2

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

By waiting, they'd also risk losing Mon when the next batch of premiership vacancies emerge in next few weeks. Ok, so Sunderland has already been done but I'm sure others will be on the table in next few weeks . It might be too early to tell whose job might be next on the block but the next few weeks will give a clearer picture.

I'm not sure, it's only around 8 weeks until the WC playoffs are over, will any premier league managers get the boot in that time? Looking at last year Di Matteo and Hughes went just after that, the season before Bruce went a week after that (30th Nov 2011), and the year before that (2010-11) the first managerial change wasn't until December (when Hughton left Newcastle) - unless you count MoN walking out at Villa in August 2010, but that was 5 days before the season started.

It would be very early for a manager to get the boot before the playoffs, even before the turn of the year is pretty rare in recent times. There is only Di Matteo (trigger happy owner), Hughes (a year doing badly at QPR, when he was finally sacked it looked like they could finish with the lowest points tally in the PL), Hughton (again bizzare owner) and now Di Canio (totally fruitcake of a manager) where this has occured. Who do you see as likely to get the sack? Sunderland have already done it, the three relegated teams all have managers with a degree of credit in the bank as Holloway, Bruce and Mackay have all acheived unexpected promotions (except maybe the latter) and all are perhaps planning for a struggle anyway. Who else could get dragged into it in the next few weeks? Norwich, West Ham, West Brom (again managers with a degree of credit), Fulham, Villa, Newcastle (these three might be more likely to sack their managers as they haven over achieved last season) but again it would be very early for them to do it. And if they were to sack the manager could he then not be a strong candidate for our job? I wouldn't mind considering any of Hughton, Steve Clarke, Lambert or even Pardew, I would be a bit dubious over Jol and wouldnt really want Allerdyce (who would leave us as soon as the Barca or Madrid job came up :) ) but all of these mangers have done at least as well as MoN in the last few years and do any of them play drastically less attractive football?
23/09/2013, 7:07 PM
IsMiseSean

Bert/Bart Van Marwijk has been confirmed as the new HSV manager. I seen him mentioned a few pages back as a possibility...
23/09/2013, 7:09 PM
Stuttgart88

I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.

I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.

Edit: I should have added Moyes above :)
23/09/2013, 7:14 PM
brine3

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

what exactly do you know about him?

I could say which countries I've lived in and which countries' football I've followed, but this thread is already too much a of a pi�ing contest.
23/09/2013, 7:18 PM
ArdeeBhoy

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.

I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.

Seriously?
The FAI may not be in a position to rush their 'preferred' choice. Though if Hughton became available...

Also, the question of Noel King?
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/poll-w...facebook_short
23/09/2013, 7:56 PM
brine3

Hughton is a good manager. I also like the idea of a second-generation Irish manager born in England, seeing as our players ply their trade in England. It creates a nice link. But having listened to the MON Youtube link, he also identifies very well with the overseas Irish. Nice to hear. Just wasn't impressed with his stints at Villa and Sunderland.
23/09/2013, 8:01 PM
ArdeeBhoy

Except MO'N got Villa in the top 6, 3 years in a row...
Sunderland, a basket case of a club, clearly was less successful.
23/09/2013, 8:04 PM
geysir

If MON does not want to be rushed into a decision, then he doesn't wan't the job enough.
Then the FAI move on, down that well trodden trail.
23/09/2013, 8:11 PM
Closed Account 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I think Jol, Hughton and Holloway are all vulnerable to a few more weeks of bad results. There seems to be a trend of firing earlier rather than later these days. I don't think he'd go near Palace but the other two have merits. Newcastle would be Sunderland part 2, a crazy club with a director of football model that O'Neill would have no time for.

I reckon if O'Neill isn't appointed before Germany it'll be someone else.

Edit: I should have added Moyes above :)

All things being equal I would probably go for Hughton over MON, I think his spells at Newcastle, Birmingham and Norwich have been a bit better than MON's at Villa and Sunderland. Both have managed a few of our squad at their clubs, but hasn't Hughton been involved in our youth setup a while ago? I wouldn't be too overjoyed with I'll but he does have a degree of success at club level.

If Moyes does go soon I reckon Fergie would go back.
23/09/2013, 8:20 PM
tetsujin1979

Quote:

Originally Posted by brine3

I could say which countries I've lived in and which countries' football I've followed, but this thread is already too much a of a pi�ing contest.

So just reveal what you know that isn't available online
23/09/2013, 8:22 PM
Closed Account 2

I'll is Jol in that post, thanks to predictive text, for some reason I can't edit it.
23/09/2013, 8:43 PM
tetsujin1979

Noel King has been announced as interim manager, according to Off The Ball just now

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confirmed by the FAI: https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status...43299106779136

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Noel King has been appointed as caretaker manager of the Irish senior men's team. Full story available on http://www.fai.ie shortly

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