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12/04/2009, 11:59 AM
geysir

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Originally Posted by bellavistaman

Clearly he needs pampering which mark hughes gives him why cant we attempt it

Man City pay SI a fortune to commit to train and play.

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paul mcgrath was so good we got on with the flaws

Paul McGrath wanted to play for his country despite his character flaws.
And when he did let his team down, he felt bad, owned up and had the support and understanding of his manager and team mates.
SI has had the same support offered to him. He chosen to stay away, hiding behind a web of incredible denial, all of his own creation.

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Ya but could you seriously say with all the hatred following here in ireland you could blame him for not wanting to come back?

Nonsense.
Here some 80% wanted him back in a poll right after his escapades.
He was given an award by the FAI (after an fan poll) for that season.

Trappatoni visited him personally and invited him back, Trap was confident the player would return. SI denied this meeting even took place.

SI is a gobs**** and regardless of future results I have full confidence that Trap had handled this situation with sensitivity and maturity.
12/04/2009, 1:00 PM
Fizzer

Stop comparing Ireland with McGrath, a man who played injured on more than one occasion. He had painkilling injections before the Italy game in 94 and almost singlehandedly kept them at bay. He was a genius, albeit flawed, but a true Irish legend. Stephen Ireland has let us down, badly, and the stupid baldy clown should never be let near the Irish team again.
12/04/2009, 1:07 PM
SUB of the day

Thats the point Bellavista, he could well be the difference between us qualifying and not, but he chooses to turn his back.If you remove your understandable Cobh bias from the argument, you must admit this to be the case.
12/04/2009, 1:11 PM
bellavistaman

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Originally Posted by SUB of the day

Thats the point Bellavista, he could well be the difference between us qualifying and not, but he chooses to turn his back.If you remove your understandable Cobh bias from the argument, you must admit this to be the case.

Na cobh bias staying with me:D
12/04/2009, 3:42 PM
Colbert Report

Unbelieveable goal from Ireland today against Fulham. He took the ball from well inside his own half, ran forty yards, and tucked the ball into the net from well outside the penalty area.

Good God we need this guy back in the team. What a special, special player.
12/04/2009, 4:19 PM
SUB of the day

Deflected.......

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Unbelieveable goal from Ireland today against Fulham. He took the ball from well inside his own half, ran forty yards, and tucked the ball into the net from well outside the penalty area.

Good God we need this guy back in the team. What a special, special player.

Not mentioning the serious deflection is being too economical with the truth.
12/04/2009, 4:41 PM
Colbert Report

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Originally Posted by SUB of the day

Not mentioning the serious deflection is being too economical with the truth.

Apologies, I honestly didn't see the deflection at the time. Must have been blind. Great goal anyhow.
12/04/2009, 4:43 PM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Unbelieveable goal from Ireland today against Fulham. He took the ball from well inside his own half, ran forty yards, and tucked the ball into the net from well outside the penalty area....

Don't ever take up match reporting!!!!

tucked the ball into the net = looped into the net off Dickson Etuhu to beat Mark Schwarzer
12/04/2009, 5:31 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by Youths4Ever

where you not watching the goal he made the pass to Robinho and then ran the distance for his tap in. Does not matter how easy the finish the pass and run made by Ireland created more than 5% of the goal

What like ...? You want me to hold the back page because a professional footballer can pass and go? I acknowledged the tap in and if it'll help dry yeer eyes I'll acknowledge he passed the ball. But he's supposed to do that...
12/04/2009, 6:12 PM
OneRedArmy

Coming up to 90 pages on this thread.

Surely the time has come to move it to Other Football?
12/04/2009, 6:33 PM
Stuttgart88

Well said Geysir.
12/04/2009, 8:36 PM
stojkovic

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Coming up to 90 pages on this thread.

Surely the time has come to move it to Other Football?

Can you print it off and sent it to him and then delete it and we can all forget the little ****.
13/04/2009, 1:56 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Coming up to 90 pages on this thread.

Surely the time has come to move it to Other Football?

The only people really interested in talking about him are those that post on this forum. He's Irish and for me is representing Ireland when he plays in Germany, Denmark, etc.
13/04/2009, 3:26 PM
SUB of the day

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

The only people really interested in talking about him are those that post on this forum. He's Irish and for me is representing Ireland when he plays in Germany, Denmark, etc.

Exactly "for you he is representing Ireland" the irony being he turns his back at the actual opportunity of doing so.
13/04/2009, 4:41 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

The only people really interested in talking about him are those that post on this forum. He's Irish and for me is representing Ireland when he plays in Germany, Denmark, etc.

The one thing he isn't doing is representing Ireland, unless by Ireland you mean himself.

The idea that a player who refuses to represent his country is somehow doing it indirectly through playing for a foreign club is, frankly, mindboggling...
13/04/2009, 6:28 PM
ken foree

ironic that people calling for the thread to be moved are contributing to its length and persistence in the ireland forum! :D i thought his goal against hamburg was absolutely fantastic, incredible first-time ball and his follow-up run was so good that it made his finish all the more simple. the best goals always are!
13/04/2009, 7:45 PM
geysir

Where was Mark Van Bommel when you really need him?
13/04/2009, 11:59 PM
dr_peepee

It should be moved... I click on to this thread every so often cos I think it's breaking news abut representing us again, and it's the same old ******. It should be moved until he has some relavence to a campaign again... May aswell contribute to a thread on Kevin Nolan or Paul Scholes as this chump... They could have played for us but chose not to.
14/04/2009, 6:05 AM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

It should be moved... I click on to this thread every so often cos I think it's breaking news abut representing us again, and it's the same old ******. It should be moved until he has some relavence to a campaign again... May aswell contribute to a thread on Kevin Nolan or Paul Scholes as this chump... They could have played for us but chose not to.

He is actually turning out to be a very similar player to Scholes in his prime
14/04/2009, 8:09 AM
amaccann

Ok, maybe it doesn't need to be closed - censorship, you don't have to ready it etc etc - but perhaps the mods could reset the thread? It doesn't need to be 90 pages & 1800 posts long and feels excessive. We have gone over every detail, nothing new is being added so a new thread might at least give a better idea of how popular the subject really is :)
14/04/2009, 10:13 AM
as_i_say

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

It should be moved... I click on to this thread every so often cos I think it's breaking news abut representing us again, and it's the same old ******. It should be moved until he has some relavence to a campaign again... May aswell contribute to a thread on Kevin Nolan or Paul Scholes as this chump... They could have played for us but chose not to.

Paul Scholes could have played for us? Do elaborate!
14/04/2009, 11:46 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

Quit acting like he owes you a damn thing. He's got his own reasons, possibly due to a bad experience with other players last time, possibly due to not wanting to leave his Man City camp. I hope to hell he plays again because the guys a prodigy but if he doesn't I'll still fondly remember him for having one of the best goals to games ratios for us of all time, we'd have finished below everyone bar San Marino last campaign if it wasn't for him, "scum of the earth" is hardly a fair judgment for a guy who has done that.

I agree Ciaran. I reckon he hates some of the players(Stephen Hunt wrote an absolutely ridiculous piece about him a while ago), but maybe doesn't want to say to much publicly in case he wants to come back...In addition he might be worried about getting booed by some of the clowns who booed Keane a few years back?Lets face it, there are a few muppets following Ireland.

Somebody stated earlier that he may do a job for us like Ray Houghton did....personally I think Ireland has far more technical ability than Houghton, and if he came back the team would eventually be built around him and Robbie Keane
14/04/2009, 11:47 AM
Dodge

Just nominated for PFA young POTY in England
14/04/2009, 11:53 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by Emmet7

Not only is the ball in Stephen Ireland's court, but there are many many balls in Stephen Ireland's court, all sent there by the Irish management team. The more you go after Stephen Ireland, the more he resists, so it's best just to ignore him and let him come back if he wants to.

The issue is out of the Irish managements hands, its now in Stephen Irelands hands...but really its all time we forgot about Stephen Ireland coming back to play for us...the door is always open, he had his chance and he has turned it down...his loss not ours.

Give me an honest hard working committed Whelan, Gibson, etc any day to a player who couldn't be bothered.

what a stupid statement.
would you love a team full of committed whelans and mcshanes?
14/04/2009, 11:55 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

would you love a team full of committed whelans and mcshanes?

Why wouldn't you?
14/04/2009, 11:59 AM
Scram

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Originally Posted by Emmet7
Not only is the ball in Stephen Ireland's court, but there are many many balls in Stephen Ireland's court, all sent there by the Irish management team. The more you go after Stephen Ireland, the more he resists, so it's best just to ignore him and let him come back if he wants to.

The issue is out of the Irish managements hands, its now in Stephen Irelands hands...but really its all time we forgot about Stephen Ireland coming back to play for us...the door is always open, he had his chance and he has turned it down...his loss not ours.

Give me an honest hard working committed Whelan, Gibson, etc any day to a player who couldn't be bothered.

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

what a stupid statement.
would you love a team full of committed whelans and mcshanes?

Probably just as stupid a question...... "Would you want a team of players who couldn't be bothered" ?!
14/04/2009, 12:38 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

what a stupid statement.
would you love a team full of committed whelans and mcshanes?

Every day of the week and twice on a Sunday.

International football is about representing your country, no room for mercenaries or primadonnas.
14/04/2009, 12:55 PM
osarusan

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

International football is about representing your country, no room for mercenaries or primadonnas.

Unless they are very very good.
14/04/2009, 1:07 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

Somebody stated earlier that he may do a job for us like Ray Houghton did....personally I think Ireland has far more technical ability than Houghton, and if he came back the team would eventually be built around him and Robbie Keane

That was probably me. What I meant was that Houghton was a natural central midfielder who played a particular role for us to great effect on RHM a lot of the time, not as a winger but as a creative & industrious player playing wide. This is where I could see Ireland playing a role for us - I think I said "with proper instruction" -, or in support of a front 2. But not as a central midfielder in Trap's 4-4-2 because we have no ball winners anywhere else on the pitch.

Ireland's individual form has been superb yet City have been a soft touch. Two Ireland goals, two 3-1 defeats in the last week alone. Not unlike away to Cyprus.

This isn't a redundant debate as such, it's really to highlight that in my opinion this story is not the be all and end all of the Irish team. If we was available where would he be picked and why, and what impact would that have on the balance of the team - that's the pertinent issue in my mind.
14/04/2009, 2:07 PM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

.....If he was available where would he be picked and why, and what impact would that have on the balance of the team - that's the pertinent issue in my mind.

He isn't available and until he is any such debate is futile.
14/04/2009, 5:32 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

The one thing he isn't doing is representing Ireland, unless by Ireland you mean himself.

The idea that a player who refuses to represent his country is somehow doing it indirectly through playing for a foreign club is, frankly, mindboggling...

Ken Doherty was representing Ireland, just because he's Irish. Simple as that. The German's watching S.Ireland score against Hamburg see him as an Irish player. I like to see the Irish succeed.
14/04/2009, 6:53 PM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

You don't need to be a participant of the national governing bodies selected team to be representing your country. :rolleyes:

I am quite happy to represent my country but I cannot bring myself to participate in representing my country. Yeah, right :confused:

I dont know who is the biggest gobsh**e, you or SI? Perhaps you are one and the same :mad:
14/04/2009, 7:09 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Ken Doherty was representing Ireland, just because he's Irish. Simple as that. The German's watching S.Ireland score against Hamburg see him as an Irish player. I like to see the Irish succeed.

I totally share ORA�s bemusement.

You are taking the name of Ken in vain, God bless his nerves.
KD has never shirked from representing his country and steely led Ireland to the gut wrenching final match in World cup and European cup finals.

You have the mentality of a juvenile reading the sport pages looking out for the placings of the Irish performances in bold type:)
Whether you are fascinated (roy of the rovers style) or not with the exploits of this idiot is irrelevant, why don't you follow his representations in World Football forum and show some respect for this forum where the national team issues are discussed, where players, managers, games - past /present /future are discussed?
14/04/2009, 7:45 PM
NeilMcD

Ken Doherty never refused to play for Ireland. However lads it does not matter which forum its in.
14/04/2009, 8:46 PM
Stuttgart88

Do Westlife represent Ireland?
14/04/2009, 8:49 PM
NeilMcD

No but Celine Dion represents Switzerland.
14/04/2009, 9:11 PM
tiktok

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

He's both a past and potential future player, he's still a kid and that needs to be considered. He will grow up, he will mature and he will address this issue. There's a lot more to be said about Stephen and Ireland so the time for distancing himself from Ireland discussion is certainly not here and hopefully never will be.

He's still a kid? That's quite the receeding hairline he has for a child..
I'll grant you he's not very bright and terribly immature, but at 22 he's a grown man.
He'll be 40 and people will still be making excuses for him.
14/04/2009, 10:14 PM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by geysir

I totally share ORA�s bemusement.

You are taking the name of Ken in vain, God bless his nerves.
KD has never shirked from representing his country and steely led Ireland to the gut wrenching final match in World cup and European cup finals.

You have the mentality of a juvenile reading the sport pages looking out for the placings of the Irish performances in bold type:)
Whether you are fascinated (roy of the rovers style) or not with the exploits of this idiot is irrelevant, why don't you follow his representations in World Football forum and show some respect for this forum where the national team issues are discussed, where players, managers, games - past /present /future are discussed?

Any ex-Ireland international can be discussed in this forum.

Although, Stephen Ireland will be play for Ireland again. :)

btw, A Dutch or Chinese person see Ken Doherty, Shay Given and Stephen Ireland as Irish. That really is all that matters. If I was watching Stephen Ireland score in a champions league final in some foreign pub I'd certainly feel some delight inside me that these people are watching an Irishman. Of course I'd love to see him playing for us but we can't change the fact he's Irish. I can't stand Bono but I still want Americans to like him. I don't know I just call that feeling patriotism. ;)

Actually, if Stephen Ireland did score in a champions league final I think we can be sure he'd be the talk of Cobh and they'd be all very proud of him. I'd have similar feelings but that's because he's Irish. He doesn't play for us but Doherty didn't play for Ireland either when he was winning a world championship.

/edit, just to re-iterate that the first sentence is why this thread is in this forum. The rest of the post is just my ramblings trying to figure out why I feel the way I do. And I think if you dislike Ireland so much you can be thankful that all discussion on him is kept in the one thread. If this thread wasn't here we'd have a new one every week.
15/04/2009, 10:28 AM
geysir

Does it not make the slightest difference to the Ireland forum when a player turns his back for the umteenth time on representing his country, throughout his entire football career from Kerr to Trap?
Ken D. represented his country and competed as an individual, Ken's green halo doesn't have the turncoat stench of a Stephen Ireland about it.

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15/04/2009, 12:01 PM
Scram

Stephen is up for PFA young footballer of the season in England, can't see why he wouldn't get this, fantastic season despite the failure of many around him.

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